Re: Mandates: Practical Questions

2010-09-02 Thread Sally Morris
-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] On Behalf Of Heather Morrison Sent: 02 September 2010 05:12 To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Mandates: Practical Questions On 1-Sep-10, at 1:28 PM, Jan Velterop wrote: Were academics at large capable

Re: Mandates: Practical Questions

2010-09-02 Thread Dana Roth
To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Mandates: Practical Questions When I looked at OA journals a few years ago I found that (a) they tended to publish very little and (b) they seemed much more likely to disappear or wither on the vine Sally When is a journal

Re: Mandates: Practical Questions

2010-09-02 Thread Heather Morrison
On 2-Sep-10, at 5:15 AM, Sally Morris wrote: When I looked at OA journals a few years ago I found that (a) they tended to publish very little and (b) they seemed much more likely to disappear or wither on the vine Sally When is a journal not a journal? A closer look at the DOAJ. Sally Morris,

Re: Mandates: Practical Questions

2010-09-02 Thread Dana Roth
...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Mandates: Practical Questions Velterop is discussing important aspects that are missing in the green part of the OA-movement! Beyond their lofty ideas there is something called real life.When the ideas didn't match their dreams they had to change reality by force

Re: Mandates: Practical Questions

2010-09-01 Thread Arif Jinha
What I disagree with Stevan on is the primacy of 'green' over 'gold'. He regards that more or less as a given, even an axiom; I don't. The primacy of green over gold is not an axiom. It is based on reasons and evidence     The overall portion of OA globally is 20.4%, 8.5% gold and 11.4% green

Re: Mandates: Practical Questions

2010-09-01 Thread Jan Velterop
[american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad [amscifo...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 August 2010 13:44 To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Mandates: Practical Questions On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Jan Velterop velterop

Re: Mandates: Practical Questions

2010-09-01 Thread Heather Morrison
On 1-Sep-10, at 1:28 PM, Jan Velterop wrote: Were academics at large capable of -- or interested in -- organising and managing the publishing of their results, it would look very different and likely be much cheaper. Comment: Edgar and Willinsky (2010)'s survey of 998 journals using Open

Mandates: Practical Questions

2010-08-31 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Jan Velterop velterop -- gmail.com wrote: What I disagree with Stevan on is the primacy of 'green' over 'gold'. He regards that more or less as a given, even an axiom; I don't. The primacy of green over gold is not an axiom. It is based on reasons and evidence:

Re: Mandates: Practical Questions

2010-08-31 Thread C Oppenheim
[amscifo...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 August 2010 13:44 To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Mandates: Practical Questions On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Jan Velterop velterop -- gmail.com wrote: What I disagree with Stevan on is the primacy of 'green' over 'gold'. He