Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-12-06 Thread Steve Hitchcock
At 21:28 05/12/04 +, Michael Fraser wrote: Presumably, something like LOCKSS applies equally to open access materials as it does to other forms (and preferably across national boundaries): At a service level this is broadly correct. As part of its programme for Supporting Digital

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-12-05 Thread Heather Morrison
Fred Sally are raising some very important points - like many other issues, though, what we're doing here is mixing up (conflating) issues which are not truly open access issues, with open access per se. For example, if there is only one copy of an article (or a very few, all under the control

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-12-05 Thread Michael Fraser
[Moderator's note: re-directed from topic thread: Re: Pascal's Wager and Open Access (OA)] On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Heather Morrison wrote: For example, if there is only one copy of an article (or a very few, all under the control of one person or organization), then the

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-27 Thread Steve Hitchcock
The JISC preservation programme I was referring to earlier has now been announced publicly http://www.jisc.ac.uk/index.cfm?name=digital_pres_pr_271004 Among the projects listed are two that relate to eprints-related preservation: - PRESERV (PReservation Eprint SERVices) - SHERPA Part II:

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-22 Thread Steve Hitchcock
Heather Morrison is quite right to note that there is no inherent conflict between efforts to provide self-archived content and parallel efforts to preserve it. I expect this to be illustrated when JISC announces the results of its Circular 4/04: Call for Projects in Supporting Institutional

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-08 Thread H�l�ne Bosc
A 22:37 07/10/04 +0100, Iva Melinscak Zlodi a E9crit : This discussion is going to turn to discussion about true task of an academic librarian! For Steven Harnad it is acquisition, and to Brian Simboli it is acquisition + preservation. Both views are somewhat limited, I believe. Librarians

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-07 Thread David Goodman
To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation Stevan, ... You misunderstand the librarian instinct. I, for one, do not think that 100 per cent gold will necessarily resolve all problems, nor has anything I've

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-06 Thread David Goodman
...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Brian Simboli wrote:

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-06 Thread Brian Simboli
Stevan, A few points in response. I'm a busy librarian and don't have the luxury of dwelling much on these debates, but here are some considerations. They are an invitation for others to pitch in and clarify or correct anything. 1. It is hardly the case that I wish to reduce preservation to

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-06 Thread H�l�ne Bosc
A 11:46 05/10/04 -0400, Brian Simboli a E9crit : I'm not convinced that green self-archiving holds out any more promise of providing a stable, long term way to fulfill third world needs satisfactorily than does the development of gold open access or low-cost TA solutions. Apparently you think

Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-05 Thread Brian Simboli
Re. the emails copied below: Let us say that one is concerned with the good of preservation and places it at least on par with the good of open access, and perhaps even trumps the latter. That person, according to the account below, would be advised to focus efforts on preserving the stock of

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-05 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 Brian Simboli wrote: Let us say that one is concerned with the good of preservation and places it at least on par with the good of open access, and perhaps even trumps the latter. Hard to see how preserving content can trump providing content: One cannot preserve

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-05 Thread Brian Simboli
**Responses in asterisks** I don't pretend to have all the answers in these issues; I just want to point out concerns that will no doubt occur to any working librarian. Brian Simboli bs Let us say that one is concerned with the good of preservation and places it at bs least on par with the

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-05 Thread Brian Simboli
Ms. Bosc, Thanks for your note. I'm not convinced that green self-archiving holds out any more promise of providing a stable, long term way to fulfill third world needs satisfactorily than does the development of gold open access or low-cost TA solutions. Apparently you think this to be the case.

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-05 Thread Brian Simboli
P.S. I wish to dispel any illusion that the views discussed below, esp at the end, reflect some sort of first world arrogance. In saying that individuals in the first world have it pretty good with respect to access, given interlibrary loan, I am *not *suggesting that the third world does not have

Re: Priorities: OA Content Provision vs. OA Content Preservation

2004-10-05 Thread Stevan Harnad
The evolution of the OA movement is revealing some interesting (and slightly complicated) interactions among the roles of the various stake-holder communities involved in Open Access (OA): These include: (1) the research community (the authors of the journal articles in question, as well