Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-07 Thread Stevan Harnad
: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:18 AM Subject: Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...) A subscription journal charging submission fees (or acceptance fees or both) seems like a bit of double- (or triple-) dipping , unless it is honestly faithfully and fully translated into lower

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-06 Thread Sally Morris
...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...) On 5-Jul-09, at 4:37 AM, Jan Velterop wrote: So it seems double-dipping unless it's honest? Perhaps it's honest unless it's clearly double-dipping. A very wide-spread misconception, on this list and elsewhere

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-06 Thread Sally Morris
...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...) Heather Morrison: If 10% of last year's revenue stream is coming from publication charges, prices should be decreased by 10%. OR, libraries and others such as funding agencies, departments, etc., should

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-06 Thread David Prosser
-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] On Behalf Of Bill Hooker Sent: 05 July 2009 21:26 To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...) Heather Morrison: If 10% of last year's revenue stream

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-06 Thread Anthony Watkinson
call a misunderstanding my suggesting more transparency here? Anthony - Original Message - From: Stevan Harnad har...@ecs.soton.ac.uk To: liblicens...@lists.yale.edu Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:18 AM Subject: Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...) A subscription

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Jan Velterop
: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:08 PM To: liblicens...@lists.yale.edu Subject: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...) The idea of submission fees is one that we at the California Digital Library have also repeatedly attempted to advance

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Stevan Harnad
02, 2009 11:08 PM To: liblicens...@lists.yale.edu Subject: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...) The idea of submission fees is one that we at the California Digital Library have also repeatedly attempted to advance in recent years. Publishers frequently cite the steep rise

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Heather Morrison
On 5-Jul-09, at 4:37 AM, Jan Velterop wrote: So it seems double-dipping unless it's honest? Perhaps it's honest unless it's clearly double-dipping. A very wide-spread misconception, on this list and elsewhere, is that subscriptions somehow are priced linearly. Comment: Publisher revenue is

Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Dana Roth
(was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...) On 5-Jul-09, at 4:37 AM, Jan Velterop wrote: So it seems double-dipping unless it's honest? Perhaps it's honest unless it's clearly double-dipping. A very wide-spread misconception, on this list and elsewhere, is that subscriptions somehow are priced

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Bill Hooker
Heather Morrison: If 10% of last year's revenue stream is coming from publication charges, prices should be decreased by 10%. OR, libraries and others such as funding agencies, departments, etc., should not support the publication charges. While I have seen publishers claim that OA uptake is

Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Heather Morrison
-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...) On 5-Jul-09, at 4:37 AM, Jan Velterop wrote: So it seems double-dipping unless it's honest? Perhaps it's honest unless it's clearly double-dipping

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Walker,Thomas J
: Overlay Journals Over Again...) Heather Morrison: If 10% of last year's revenue stream is coming from publication charges, prices should be decreased by 10%. OR, libraries and others such as funding agencies, departments, etc., should not support the publication charges. [Bill Hjooker:} While

Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Dana Roth
-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...) Clarification: PLoS One is among the world's largest journals, anticipating publication of about 4,800

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...)

2009-07-04 Thread Stevan Harnad
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:08 PM To: liblicens...@lists.yale.edu Subject: Submission Fees (was: RE: Overlay Journals Over Again...) The idea of submission fees is one that we at the California Digital Library have also repeatedly attempted to advance