Re: The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

2004-05-05 Thread Sally Morris (ALPSP)
I think the report (at http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/images/costs_business_7955.pdf) needs to be read rather carefully The cost figures are not new, but make sensible use of previously published figures (whether or not these have been updated to current values I am not sure); the separation of 'pe

Re: The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

2004-04-29 Thread Robert Terry
Prior Subject Threads: "Savings from Converting to On-Line-Only: 30%- or 70%+ ?" (Started Aug 27 1998) http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/0002.html "The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature" (Started Apr

Re: The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

1999-09-23 Thread Paul M. Gherman
Peter, I began thinking exactly as you suggest. Institutions paying the charges for their own faculty from library journals budgets. But then I ran the numbers. Vanderbilt spends 1.8 million a year on journal subscription, not all serials. We have 1500 faculty. At a minor charge of $1,000 per arti

Re: The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

1999-09-23 Thread Peter B. Boyce
Why is Paul Gherman complicating a simple issue? The dissemination of research results is part of the research process. If an institution is successful, then part of its responsibility should be to make the results known. Surely, the cost of disseminating the research of its faculty and staff (y

Re: The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

1999-09-23 Thread Paul M. Gherman
> Mark Doyle said: > > > There are two big hurdles: 1) reducing the cost of handling electronic > > manuscripts and 2) author/institution/funding agency acceptance of > > paying submission fees up front. > > Regarding 2), I have heard some concerns that this would unfairly > penalize the most pro

Re: The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

1999-05-07 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Tue, 4 May 1999, Steve Hitchcock [shi] wrote: > sha> Why would anyone want to continue paying for what they can get for free? > shi> Good question, and one for the commercial players to shi> answer. Non-exclusivity is the lever to get them to answer, and it would be shi> good not just for autho

Re: The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

1999-05-07 Thread Steve Hitchcock
Stevan, In view of the recent explosion of debate you have participated in (Scholar's Forum etc.) this is going back a week or so, but in the interest of wanting not to 'weigh it (the LANL model) down' ... At 12:44 PM 4/28/99 +0100, you wrote: >It is conceivable to pay for the quality co

Re: The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

1999-04-29 Thread Stevan Harnad
> From: "Marvin Margoshes" > > It is sensible to ask why a reader would pay for information he can get > free. It is equally sensible to ask why an author would pay if there is a > free alternative. Fair question! Answer: (1) Learned-journal authors, unlike normal authors, publish, not to make

The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

1999-04-29 Thread Stevan Harnad
I am posting this exchange with my colleague Steve Hitchcock in the hope that it will elucidate the logic of up-front author page-charges and their role in freeing the journal literature for everyone. Stevan Harnad shi> From: Steve Hitchcock shi> Open Journal Project shi> Multimedia Research Gro

Re: The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

1999-04-29 Thread Marvin Margoshes
It is sensible to ask why a reader would pay for information he can get free. It is equally sensible to ask why an author would pay if there is a free alternative. Perhaps the past experience with page charges is no longer valid, but we don't know that to be the case. I keep saying - experiment