goanet-digest Tuesday, June 18 2002 Volume 01 : Number 4095
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- In this issue: [Goanet] Back on Goanet [Goanet] BETIM CROSS RESTORATION APPEAL [Goanet] Matteo Colella [Goanet] Bounces - Just FYI Re: [Goanet] Matteo Colella [Goanet] Re: Fwd: Parachutes [Goanet] re: Matteo Colella [Goanet] Deceit and Fraud [Goanet] NEWS: Indian PMO says Time article is in bad taste [Goanet] Another wild goa trip to tivim on sunday,23 june [Goanet] INTERVIEW: Dr Willy predicts short life for Parrikar govt (fwd) See end of digest for information on subscribing/unsusbcribing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:59:32 -0000 From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Back on Goanet - --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Hello there Santosh! You are right in your analysis about Padre Pio. > Hi Edgar: Nice to hear from you and to see that you are back on Goanet. I am looking forward to reading some incisive posts from you on all the messy things that are happening in Goa and around the world. Regards, Santosh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:08:42 -0700 From: "rene barreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] BETIM CROSS RESTORATION APPEAL BETIM CROSS RESTORATION APPEAL The Goa Heritage Action Group, a registered NGO has taken a decision to help restore the 16th century Cross located at Betim, Bardez. Ketak Nachinolkar, a graduate of the Goa College of Architecture with a post graduate degree in conservation from the Delhi School of Planning and Architecture has been appointed by the Group to carry out the restoration work of this exquisite piece of heritage. Local residents and well-wishers of the Cross have generously donated a seed fund to start the restoration. Additional funds are urgently needed in order to complete the restoration work in time for the World Goa Day Celebrations on August 18th 2002. The Group and local community would be grateful for contributions, however small, for the restoration of the Betim Cross. All contributions must be made by cheque in favour of Goa Heritage Action Group and sent to 29/30 Green Valley, Porvorim 4035231, Bardez, Goa. Contributions in kind (sand, material, labour, lime, etc.) would be welcome. Cash donations may also be made directly to Ms. Ana Maria de Souza Goswami, Life Member of the Group for amounts not exceeding Rs. 500. Contributors may feel free to inspect the work on site by prior appointment and book accounts will be open to inspection. For further information, call Ms. Goswami at 417847. HETA PANDIT General Sec [EMAIL PROTECTED] PRAJAL SAKHERDANDE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEMBER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:40:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Matteo Colella I have found some information relating to the case of Matteo Colella, who was cited in the recent St. Pio canonization. Full medical details of the case are available in the medical records. I have not examined these, as the certifying Medical Board did. I know only what I have read. I gather that on January 20, 2000, Matteo Pio Colella, a young and previously healthy child, developed fever, vomiting, and large violet marks on his skin which grew rapidly in number and size. He was severely disorientated. His illness progressed rapidly overnight. By the next morning the medical staff reported that his blood pressure was low to the point of being virtually unmeasurable, there was bleeding from the points where needles had penetrated his skin, and the pink foam of pulmonary oedema was spilling from his mouth. Blood chemistry tests suggested malfunction of end organs. His heartbeat was slow, erratic and interrupted, with only occasional beats detected. An exceptionally large dose of adrenaline was administered, as a last measure, by pessimistic medical staff. For several days, his death was considered imminent by the medical staff. On day 12, he showed signs of regained consciousness for the first time. Over the following week his health improved, with blood chemistry tests showing steady improvement. He regained full health eventually. I am not a paediatrician. I have not seen the medical records. However, whatever I know seems to be free from fraud or deceit. All of the facts above can be objectively evaluated. If anyone has specific evidence of fraud or deceit, why remain silent? Joel Almeida __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:51:14 +0200 From: Viviana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Bounces - Just FYI Netters - the GoaNet equivalent of the Dead Letter File is my mailbox. Most of you already know this, I'm sure. I usually receive about 50 "bounces" each day - some are just advisories letting me know that a post was not delivered into a subscriber's mailbox because it is full, others advise me that a post has been rejected for different reasons, such as Non-Member Submission, or Exceeds Maximum Length, etc., and still others tell me that a post has been rejected because it contains a virus. I'm reproduced below the top portion of one such message - these messages usually have 100 lines of gobble-de-gook so I haven't reproduced the whole thing. The point is that when I receive this type of message I do not forward it back to the person who sent it. So, if you've tried to post to GoaNet and haven't seen your message on the D-List NOR have you heard from me, this means that your PC is probably infected. Viviana GN Admin San Francisco CA ***************************************************** Subject: BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: taboo header: /^Content-Type:\s*multipart\/alternative\b/i Non-member submission from [[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:23:35 -0600 (MDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From owner-goanet Tue Jun 18 06:23:34 2002 Received: from relay.nic.in (relay.nic.in [164.100.10.106]) by www2.goacom.com (8.11.6) id g5ICNVw25315 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:23:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Envelope-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from relay.nic.in (IDENT:root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nic.in (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g5ICRrJ25880 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:57:53 +0530 Received: from alpha.nic.in (alpha.nic.in [164.100.24.3]) by relay.nic.in (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g5ICRnv25855 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:57:51 +0530 Received: from Krduizsbp ([164.100.35.202]) by alpha.nic.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14041 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:58:57 +0530 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:58:57 +0530 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: ptimble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Introduction on ADSL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=DO0O958jw194Rh58ecDj14jXC1M2eOQxzt65 - --DO0O958jw194Rh58ecDj14jXC1M2eOQxzt65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on relay) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file who.bat The file is deleted. - --------------------------------------------------------- - --DO0O958jw194Rh58ecDj14jXC1M2eOQxzt65 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY> <iframe src=3Dcid:M1h8DC03i064X89oo height=3D0 width=3D0> </iframe> <FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML> - --DO0O958jw194Rh58ecDj14jXC1M2eOQxzt65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on relay) who.bat is removed from here because it contains a virus. - --------------------------------------------------------- - --DO0O958jw194Rh58ecDj14jXC1M2eOQxzt65 - --DO0O958jw194Rh58ecDj14jXC1M2eOQxzt65 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=finance1[1].jpg Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <M1h8DC03i064X89oo> /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD/2wBDAAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEB AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQH/2wBDAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEB AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQH/wgAR CAAPAJsDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAGQABAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAABwAGBQgD/8QAGwEBAAEFAQAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAYBAgMFBwj/2gAMAwEAAhADEAAAAfP2k8n8Tn3r71T9CrhKNPKw2Yty5mKL WzVXiiFeKIV4ohXiiFeKIVwbRC8g5F//xAAbEAACAwEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAABQQGFQMHAf/a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:47:28 -0000 From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Matteo Colella - --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Over the following week his health >improved, with blood chemistry tests showing steady >improvement. He regained full health eventually. > >I am not a paediatrician. I have not seen the medical >records. However, whatever I know seems to be free >from fraud or deceit. All of the facts above can be >objectively evaluated. If anyone has specific evidence >of fraud or deceit, why remain silent? > I am assuming that the above is what Joel calls "specific evidence" or "medical facts" that can be "objectively evaluated by people of any faith". If this is what is deemed sufficient by Joel and others to conclude that this boy's recovery could only be a miracle instantiated specifically through the intercession of Padre Pio, then I would have to definitely believe that all the amazing recoveries that happened under the old Doutor Curchorcar were miracles. He could certainly tell a much better anecdote than the one related by Joel above, on how a man who was about to die recovered immediately after the doutor gave him a theflaanchem ajuth. No objective scientist or physician who is not blinded by one particular faith would conclude that the subjective account of the case of Matteo Colella presented by Joel above leads him/her to the unequivocal conclusion that a miracle has taken place, let alone specifically through the intercession of Padre Pio. Cheers, Santosh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:47:08 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Re: Fwd: Parachutes Parachutes An airplane was about to crash; there were 5 passengers on board gt;gt;but gt;gt; only 4 parachutes. The first passenger said, " I'm Kobe Bryant , gt;gt;the gt;gt; best NBA basketball player, the Lakers need me, I can't afford gt;gt;to gt;gt; die....So he took the first pack and left the plane. The second gt;gt;passenger, gt;gt;Hillary Clinton, said, "I am the wife of the former president of gt;gt;the gt;gt;United gt;gt;States, I gt;gt;am also the most ambitious woman in the world and I am a New York gt;gt;Senator gt;gt;and a potential future president." She just took the second gt;gt;parachute and gt;gt;jumped out of the plane. gt;gt; gt;gt;The third passenger, George W. Bush, said : " I'm President of gt;gt;the United States of America, I have a great responsibility being gt;gt;the gt;gt;leader of a superpower nation. And above all I'm the cleverest gt;gt;President in gt;gt;American history, so America's people won't let me die." So he put gt;gt;on the gt;gt;pack ! next to him and jumped out of the plane. gt;gt; gt;gt;The fourth passenger, the Pope, says to the fifth passenger, a 10 gt;gt;year-old school boy, "I am old and frail and I don't have many gt;gt;years left, gt;gt;as a Catholic I will sacrifice my life and let you have the last gt;gt;parachute. gt;gt; gt;gt;The boy said, "it's OK, there's a parachute left for you. America's gt;gt;cleverest President has taken my schoolbag. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] re: Matteo Colella Santosh Helekar writes: "the subjective account of the case of Matteo Colella" - ------------------------------- Dear Santosh, You do not appear to dispute the medical facts listed. Please read my message carefully and confine yourself to its contents. I am not aware of any of the listed medical facts being dependent on the viewpoint of the observer. If anyone has evidence of fraud or deceit, please present it. Regards, Joel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:25:38 -0000 From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Deceit and Fraud - --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >However, whatever I know seems to be free from fraud or deceit. All >of the facts above can be objectively evaluated. If anyone has >specific evidence of fraud or deceit, why remain silent? > Deceit and fraud can be acts of commission as well as of omission. I submit to you that, by omitting important information on the diagnosis and treatment of Matteo Collela, those who were responsible for providing the description (communicated to us by Joel) on his case have tried to deceive us into believing that no conventional medical treatment was given or could be given to this boy. I find it hard to believe that the only treatment that this boy could receive was "an exceptionally large dose of adrenaline administered, as a last measure, by pessimistic medical staff". From what I know about medical staff, even the bad ones don't abandon their patients out of pessimism. And yet this account mentions nothing about the diagnosis or the treatment. Did the boy suffer from any bacterial infection? Were any drugs that are known to cure and save the lives of people suffering from severe bacterial infection, given? Why are those who provided the supposedly non-deceptive and non-fraudulent case description withholding this information? I also find it curious that the entire description conveys an atmosphere of hopelessness, carefully crafted with phrases like "exceptionally large dose", "administered as a last measure", "pessimistic medical staff" and "His death was considered imminent by the medical staff", to create the impression that this state of fatalistic inevitability was medically certified. Nobody who is guided by the principles of honesty, transparency and scientific objectivity would provide such a deceptive case description for "objective evaluation" as has been provided to us in this forum. Cheers, Santosh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:08:19 +0530 (IST) From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] NEWS: Indian PMO says Time article is in bad taste Indian prime minister's office says Time magazine article in bad taste >From Indo-Asian News Service New Delhi, June 18 (IANS) Indian Prime Minister's Atal Bihari Vajpayee's office has decried a report in Time magazine as being replete with material and factual errors and in "bad taste" and said his competence to control the country's nuclear capabilities had never been questioned. The report has already been dismissed by India's ministry of external affairs as "completely without foundation" and a "completely biased and ill-informed article". In a rejoinder to the report "Asleep at the Wheel?" (June 17), Ashok Tandon, press aide to the prime minister, said in a letter to the newsmagazine that what it carried amounted to "purely fictitious notions about the prime minister's lifestyle" and was not just mischievous but also malicious. Following is the text of Tandon's letter: (text begins) Your report "Asleep at the Wheels" (June 17) is in bad taste. It carries several factual errors and contains certain observations about the Prime Minister of India, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, which are nothing but fiction. Mr. Vajpayee is 77 and not 74. His bladder and liver are perfectly normal and he has an average cholesterol level. However, there are more material errors spread throughout the report. Purely fictitious notions about the Prime Minister's lifestyle are absurd and mischievous. He does not take alcoholic drinks. Comments such as "He takes a three hour snooze every afternoon on doctor's orders and is given to interminable silences, indecipherable ramblings and, not infrequently, falling asleep in meetings" are baseless. A post-lunch siesta is nothing unusual. However, the Prime Minister's punishing schedule keeps him busy from morning to late at night with a short break after lunch. Those familiar with the rigour of Indian politics and the marathon Parliament sessions which the Prime Minister has to cope with can vouch for his fitness. Recently Mr. Vajpayee attended a night-long Parliament session for nearly 12 hours without a break. It is ridiculous to say that the Prime Minister falls asleep in meetings. The use of phrases like "he appears confused and inattentive," "seems shaky and lost," I am afraid, are, malicious. Mr. Vajpayee has been in command for more than four years and his ability to control the country's nuclear capabilities has never been questioned. The media in India is free and TV crews have filmed him without any restrictions. We have taken strong exceptions to your one-sided report designed to tarnish the Prime Minister's image. Mr Vajpayee undoubtedly is a towering personality and the most popular political figure in the country. (ends text) - --Indo-Asian News Service ------------------------------ Date: Tuesday, 18 June 2002 From: "harvey d'souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Another wild goa trip to tivim on sunday,23 june Hi ! Southern Birdwing, will conduct ANOTHER "WILDGOA" trip on Sunday, 23 june to Tivim.However this location is different from the site selected last week. We expect more passerines, and also the elusive indian pitta,and emerald dove....which we did not get last Sunday. Hopefully we will also see plaintive cuckoo, common peafowl, Racket tailed drongo, Bronzed Drongo, grey breasted Prinia and ashy Prinia. Participants will be charged Rs. 50/- each while students will be charged Rs. 25/- each. Participants are requested to meet at 07.30 A.M. at the start of the Guirim Bypass, Outside Hotel Green park, Along the Panjim -Mapusa highway. The birding trip will end by 10 30 am. For further details, please contact Neil on 402957 or 9822158688, or Harvey on 401814 or 9822149745. You can also email your queries to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The field trip will continue as scheduled even if it rains so please bring along your rainwear. However, we would appreciate it if you can confirm your participation by email or phone before Sunday. Thanks, Neil Alvares & Harvey D'souza, SOUTHERN BIRDWING ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:42:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] INTERVIEW: Dr Willy predicts short life for Parrikar govt (fwd) Practically no "severe problem" in Saligao? Far from it! FN DR WILLY PREDICTS SHORT LIFE FOR PARRIKAR GOVERNMENT Herald June18,2002 CALANGUTE, JUNE 17: The Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) state president Dr Wilfred de Souza may be the only NCP candidate in the Assembly, but that does not stop him from reiterating that the NCP represents the third front, the best option for the people in Goa. A politician with considerable experience, Dr Willy has served as chief minister and deputy chief minister in the legislature. In an interview with Herald, Dr de Souza insists that if Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar could not survive with a two-party government for two years, the chances that a 'four party' government will last its fully five-year term seem bleak. QUESTION: What do you think of the present coalition government in Goa? It is a mixture of four different parties -- BJP, MGP, UGDP and an Independent. In the past when Parrikar headed a two-party government, he went on record to state that coalition governments cannot work. He tried his best to merge the MGP into the BJP. Now with a four-party coalition, he has gone from the frying pan to the fire. He has not improved the condition at all. QUESTION: But doesn't the BJP have the mandate to rule the state? No. The BJP does not have the majority of its own to rule Goa. QUESTION: What about the performance of the NCP? You did not get the expected results. Do you still think the NCP has a future in Goa? The NCP was keen to fight the communalism of the BJP and the corruption of Congress. We were almost certain that the Goan people would choose the third and better choice, that is the NCP. But for various reasons, people rallied around the Congress. The end result was that the BJP could get 17 seats, including Siolim and Tivim, where in normal circumstances, they would have lost. NCP is a national party with governments in three states and MLAs in eight states. QUESTIONS: Was it true that your party's main aim was to split the Congress votes, in order to teach them a lesson for snapping the proposed NCP-Congress alliance? Definitely not. It was I who proposed the alliance with the basic idea to defeat the communal forces. I tried my best but the Congress leaders had the bind hope that they could single-handedly achieve power. If today in the hour of crisis, Congress has to blame somebody, then they should only blame their leadership which had no foresight. QUESTION: What role will your party play in the present political situation in Goa? We will certainly continue to follow the principles of the NCP. After all, we are a middle force between the BJP and the Congress. QUESTION: Do you think this government will complete its full term? I don't think so. If Parrikar could not survive with a two-party government for two years, how can he do so with a four-party government? In a larger coalition, differences are always more. QUESTION: During elections, you had promised the people that Philip Neri would not support the BJP? I did not make any promise on his behalf, but he gave me in writing that he would not support the BJP and that he would be with us after getting elected. QUESTION: Isn't it interesting that you had to contest the elections with your former PA as a rival candidate? I won this war. There is nothing interesting about it. I won, he lost. Simple. QUESTION: What are the problems in Saligao constituency and how do you intend to address these problems when you are not in the government? There is practically no severe problem that Saligao constituency faces at present. I have taken care of the major requirements like roads, power, water supply and communications. If there is any other work, then I will solve it as I have done in the past. Even in the past when I was in the Opposition, I raised public issues in the assembly and got it solved. Being in the opposition is no reason to avoid solving problems. It is the will power that makes you understand and solve the problems in one's constituency. QUESTION: Sometime ago, you wanted to bring all socialist forces together to fight against the communal fundamentalists in Goa. Do you still intend to take a lead in this matter? I will try and do whatever I can. In the past too, I have tried my best to bring all like-minded people together. 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