goanet-digest Friday, June 21 2002 Volume 01 : Number 4104
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- In this issue: [Goanet] The Famous Song 'SAO JOAO' [Goanet] Miracle is an appeal to ignorance [Goanet] INVITE: Talk on Simputers, Saturday morning [Goanet] SANCHAYANI IN DEEP TROUBLE -Depositors not paid. [Goanet] VOICE OF GOA [Goanet] Re: Miracle is an appeal to ignorance [Goanet] NRI Goa Facilitation Centre [Goanet] Thunder and lightning [Goanet] Some websites from Goa [Goanet] World Cup first quarter See end of digest for information on subscribing/unsusbcribing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:54:06 -0700 (PDT) From: lino dourado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] The Famous Song 'SAO JOAO' The famous song 'SAO JOAO' composed by the great tiatrist of Konkani stage, the late C. Alvares, reminds me the good old days, how we used to sing merry songs of San Joao and walk to the well, where they (zanvoi) take a plunge into the water. Monday 24th July San Joao feast let me give you the lyrics of the famous song. SAO JOAO Amim sogle zavoim vortata chodda tempan betle Sao Joaochem fest mhun ami movoddea aile Mateak him kopelam gallun udok navunk bhair sorlle Aichea disa vodle ami noko fuim paule. 'CHORUS' Sao Joao, Sao Joao Gumta mure vatt amkam disona, Aicho dis urbecho kon konnak hanssona Chol re piere tum ilo ge re Falleam khaim mevonam Oslim festam vorsak kiteak don pautti ena II Zavuim ami festak ailea mhun vaddean bobav podla Mhojea Sasupain char kouxe soro hadla Char kudvamchim sanna ukdun ani ek dukor marla Sezarche Kossu mauxen ponos dadla III Vodilamchem kaidea pormonem udok natta baimchem Kodegant fest hem amchem mavodechem Pondra dis alche nhoi angache borech marun jeuchem Chol atam Sao Joao morea maguir tem pouchem. 'Rp. Chorus' ENJOY 'N' HAPPY FEAST SAO JOAO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 06:00:04 -0000 From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Miracle is an appeal to ignorance - --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Joe Vaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Quote:"I am frankly tired of this argument now, because I think I >have failed miserably in explaining to Mr. Vaz=85" Unquote. > I am rapidly becoming tired of this argument this time around as well, and continue to fail miserably in explaining to my detractors what I am trying to say here. But I am going to state as clearly as I can one last time where my beef is. I have no problem with people who believe in miracles based on faith, just as I have no problem with people who believe in God based on faith. After all I am surrounded by them. My problem is only with people who claim that certain miracles are certified by a scientific committee and a legitimate "scientific scrutiny or scientific study and analysis". > > The miracle is essentially an appeal to knowledge. > I am sorry, but I think it is self-evident that miracle is an appeal to ignorance. Those who claim that a miracle has taken place have already accepted that God has made it happen. They don't ask any more questions. There is no room for any further inquiry. They have already surrendered their mind, their intellect and their curiosity to the idea that they cannot possibly understand how God made it happen. They cannot fathom God's ways. For them miraculous occurrence as an act of God is the be-all and end-all explanation. Learning cannot begin when inquiry ends. Knowledge cannot be acquired when wisdom has already been received. History has shown us time and again that advancement of human knowledge has occurred every single time that we have stopped believing in a miraculous explanation. If we had continued to believe that thunder and lightning were acts of God, we would still be lighting oil lamps in our homes. I would challenge anybody to give me one example wherein advancement of knowledge occurred as a consequence of believing that a miracle has taken place. Cheers, Santosh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:50:14 +0530 (IST) From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] INVITE: Talk on Simputers, Saturday morning Goa Chamber of Commerce & Industry in collaboration with the Government of Goa is organising a seminar on Simputers on Saturday, 22nd June at 10 am at the Hotel Mandovi, Panjim. Adv Francisco D'Souza, honourable minister for IT, Government of Goa will inaugurate the event. K.R.Naik, chairman and MD of D-Link (I) Ltd will be the guest of honour Faculty: Dr Vinay Deshpande, chairman and CEO Encore Software Ltd Bangalore Seminar focus: On Simputers, a newly developed low-cost, generic, mobile computing device for universal access with multiple connectivity options. *No delegate fee. Registration opens at 9.30 at the venue. Open to the public * ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:05:58 +0530 From: Goa Desc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] SANCHAYANI IN DEEP TROUBLE -Depositors not paid. **************************************************************** Documented by Goa Desc Documentation Service & circulated by Goa Civic & Consumer Action Network (GOA CAN)<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ***************************************************************** - --------------------------------------------------------------- SANCHAYANI IN DEEP TROUBLE Depositors not paid for the last one and half year - --------------------------------------------------------------- Nearly one hundred complaints have been registered against Sanchayani Finance and Investment Limited for failure in paying deposits to its investors, informed DySP (Economics Offences Cell) Fintan D'Souza. It is learnt that the investors have not been paid their deposit amounts for the last more than one and half year due to suffering of losses by the company. The Economics Offences Cell (EOC) swung into action and directed the company to refund the deposits with interest to the investors. Pursuing the case, the EOC has instructed the Sanchayani divisional manager Suraj Naik to submit fortnightly reports to the police on the number of cases disposed. According to the police, the list of the names of complainants are regularly forwarded to the company so that the deposits are returned to the investors within one month of the maturity of the investment certificate. Sanchayani has been approximately disposing 20 to 30 cases per week. Suraj Naik has been granted anticipatory bail while other company directors arrested in Sindhudurg district have been already charge sheeted. The company has offices at Margao, Mapusa and Panaji. The assets owned by the Sanchayani are office premises situated on first floor, Malbarao Sardessai building, Panaji, First floor, Bhavani Apartments, Mapusa and Commerce House, Margao. The company also owns Sanchayani House, near Mahalaxmi Temple, Panaji, Sanchayani Palace, Sanchayani Bhavan and Sanchayani Anant Vishwa at Margao. - ----------------------------------------------------- GOMANTAK TIMES 10/6/2002 Page 3 - ----------------------------------------------------- ======================================= GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy ======================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:59:11 +0530 From: Goa Desc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] VOICE OF GOA **************************************************************** Documented by Goa Desc Documentation Service & circulated by Goa Civic & Consumer Action Network (GOA CAN)<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ***************************************************************** - ----------------------- VOICE OF GOA - ----------------------- I wish to salute the people of Cortalim constituency for electing well-known social activist Mathany Saldanha to the Goa assembly in the just concluded elections. In doing so, they have also dumped one of Goa's most corrupt politicians Mauvin Godinho and taught him a good lesson for his indiscriminate looting of public funds and for espousing the cause of non-Goans more than Goans. No doubt his major votes came from them and so it was also not surprising that most of the speakers at his campaign meetings were hired from Kerala and Karnataka. Perhaps he can try his luck in elections in those States now. It is an irony that a man has made so many sacrifices in the last 26-27 years while championing the cause of Goan society, had to wait for so many years to make it to the assembly. Mathany Saldanha is a man who has fought so much for the social causes and against injustice done to Goans that one has lost count of the number of times he was arrested by the government to suppress his powerful voice. Mathany who began his struggle with the issue of ramponkars later went to fight against anti-people policies and other anti-environment programmes of the successive governments. He is a learned man who knows what he speaks, who takes up each issue on its merits and does not discriminate on the bases of caste or religion. He is not in politics for the sake of cheap popularity which most of our half-baked, semi-literate politicians yearn for, but the only thing that matters to him is the well-planned and ecologically sound development of Goa. And who can ever forget Mathany's role in securing the status of official language to Konkani. Here is a man who has a vision for the all round development of Goa and is not into politics for personal gains unlike the general breed of Goan politicians. Mathany Saldanha is like a shining beacon in the filthy world of Goans politics. Thank God, now at least we have an MLA who is not afraid to speak out his mind without the fear of losing his office. Every Goenkar should be proud of him and should support him in all his endeavours. Mathany, we consider you to be the leader of not only Cortalim, but you represent the bold voice of the silent majority of Goans who are desperately waiting for a clean and dedicated politician like you. All Goenkars are strongly behind you. Frankie Fernandes Salvador do Mundo, Bardez - ------------------------------------------------------------ Vox Populi in HERALD 10/6/2002 Page 6 - ------------------------------------------------------------ ======================================= GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy ======================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:35:26 +0000 From: "Joe Vaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Re: Miracle is an appeal to ignorance Dear Readers: I want you to understand that I was trying to put the “Miracle” concept into context, so that misconceptions, posited in Santosh’s posts, may be exposed to clarity. In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >“MIRACLE IS AN APPEAL TO IGNORANCE.” >I am sorry, but I think it is self-evident that miracle is an appeal to >ignorance. Mr. Helekar: Like all other things on this subject you indeed have miserably failed to objectively prove how “Miracle is an appeal to ignorance.” We can all see that we are not getting anywhere with Santosh’s rhetoric that “Miracle is an appeal to ignorance” – unless of course he can substantiate through his scientific prowess and conclusively prove that in fact miracle is an appeal to ignorance. I had cited just two examples of a miracle by definition: Red Sea parting as depicted in the movie "The Ten Commandments" (i.e., not simply a low tide); Jesus raising the dead man Lazarus to life (John, xi). It has been thousands of years now that these miracles occurred — and neither can history deny it, nor has science (scientists) refuted these occurrences, — through plausible scientific explanations. Inasmuch as I like to believe our intellectual here who states that: “Miracle is an appeal to ignorance.” Like others on the forum, I would like to request our esteemed scientist, -- to demonstrate to this audience through his own scientific wit (or through his peer-review) that the above are not miracles – but merely “an appeal to ignorance.” And if you think the onus of providing scientific proof is NOT upon you, through your sheer inability to do so, (or for lack of scientific wit in this area,) then – please hold your peace. You are NOT doing any service to either science or humanity here – but causing upheavals, by your constant mocking of the subject matter. Best wishes, Joe Vaz _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2002 10:38:35 +0530 From: "nrigoa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] NRI Goa Facilitation Centre Dear Friend, I am pleased to inform you that the Govt. of Goa has set up a NRI (Goans) Facilitation Centre, with a view to strengthening the cultural roots of Goans who are working/living abroad. The programme assigned to the Centre includes compilation of a Directory of NRI (Goans), identifying their problems and ways and means to solve them. We have also been asked to prepare schemes to provide insurance cover to them and/or their family members and exploring the possibility of mobilising their resources/talents for the development of Goa. While the process of compilation of the Directory has already started and insurance cover schemes are being discussed with some insurance companies, I seek your guidance for giving concrete shape to various other schemes in the light of the expectations and needs of NIR (Goans). Similarly I would like to have the names and addresses of fellow Goans in your country, for inclusion in the proposed directory. The information may be sent on the form. A word in confirmation will be highly appreciated. With regards and thanks, Yours faithfully, (Chandrakant Keni) Chairman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 04:52:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Thunder and lightning Santosh Helekar writes: "If we had continued to believe that thunder and lightning were acts of God, we would still be lighting oil lamps in our homes." - ------------------------------ Why? Einstein believed that the Universe is an act of God, but that didn't stop him successfully challenging Newton's scientific dogmas. I see no problem with scientists bending the knee before God provided they do not bend it before mere human beings and their conjectures. Regards, Joel Almeida __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:18:43 +0530 (IST) From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Some websites from Goa Please check these out www.vascoclub.com www.ancestralgoa.8m.com www.shyamsundargoa.com www.gudms.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:20:37 +0000 From: "A. Veronica Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] World Cup first quarter CONGRATULATIONS BRAZIL. Once again history repeated itself when Brazil once again expectedly defeated England in the quarter final today a few hours before. One mistake of a defender means one goal and that was what exactly happened when young Michael Owen was given a golden and easy chance by Brazilian defender to score the first goal of the match. Being opportunist and sure to capitalize on such defensive errors Owen made no mistake. But, besides this goal Owen was just a pale shadow of his otherwise real aggressive self. Captain David Beckam from whom lot was expected also proved to be a failure. The credibility of both these players were wrongly judged earlier on the basis of their strength against the weak opponents. Brazil is Brazil. They are not any other European team which is using hit and run techniques. Soon after conceding an unexpected goal, Brazil proved to everyone why they are called Brazil, the artists of soccer. Artistry in soccer is in their genes and blood, whoever their players may be and that they are artists was proved by Ronaldinho today. His move to score the equalizer by Rivaldo was just a sheer piece of genius normally not seen among players from other countries. Within a split of a moment he dribbled two-three defenders in the box, lifted his one leg in one direction, then moved the ball to other direction with the other leg and flicked it to Rivaldo just to neatly place it into the net with his left foot. Earlier before this equalizer Ronaldo was just unstoppable, his every touch to the ball, his every move was just a terror for English defenders who lost much of their concentration and firmness. With his clever moves Ronaldo really mesmerized the opponents. It was he who attracted the attention of at least two defenders towards him thereby giving more room to his other colleagues for maneuvering. It was very difficult for English team especially their defenders to defend continuously and stop the great Brazilian attacking trio of Rivaldo-Ronaldo-Ronaldinho. Besides this deadly trio the Englishmen were unable to cope up with the heavy pressure put in by the great Roberto Carlos. What a great attacking defender he is having horse’s stamina. It is just a pleasure to see such a fabulous player in this World Cup. Skipper Cafu of Brazil also played his role very well. England had no proper answer to the attacking skills of Brazil though they were defending their citadel well. But how long defenders can defend the continuous onslaught of their opponents? This time Brazil’s defence played well filling the loopholes earlier appreared of course with the exception one silly mistake by Lucio. The second half started well with Brazil and within a few minutes young Ronaldinho’s excellent goal from 30 meters away from the goal in a direct free kick sealed the fate of England who I feel did not deserve victory. If they had to move ahead by fluke I am sure the interest in World Cup would be lost. At least Brazilian moving up into semi final has created lot of interest in this World Cup. For thirty long minutes England had great opportunity to score and not only equalize but also to score more goals and carry the day due to the advantage of having one man more on the field than that of Brazil. Still they could not take advantage of the deficiency of Brazil who played their hearts inspite of having one man less and to play in such a situation and still win the match is not an easy task. The goal that young twenty-two year old boy Ronaldinho scored was very fantastic, it was not an ordinary task to score such a goal when England had a very good custodian under their bar and that this custodian was totally baffled to see the ball into his net itself shows the artistry and mastery of Ronaldinho to score such a beautiful goal. It was sad to see his exit from the field with a red card when he dangerously fouled his opponent in front of the referee. No doubt it was a genuine infringement deserving castigation but surely not the Red Card. Any way, well done Brazil, you deserve to win and go for semi-final while your opponents England do not deserve a place in the semifinal because they failed to beat you when you were having such a disadvantageous position for 30 minutes. The second quarter final of the day between USA and Germany though ended in favour of Germany yet USA deserves more compliments than the winners because USA displayed a very good brand of soccer, a very attractive compared to their rivals and winners Germany. USA should have forged ahead in the beginning itself but due to poor marksmanship, erratic and gutless finishing they failed to score. Even the much needed equalizer could not be acquired only because USA forwards showed lethargic attitude even near the goal mouth. It is great to see USA players having excellent control of the ball, beautiful passing and correct positioning besides abundant stamina to survive for the 90 minutes without any sign of exhaustion. Whether they were robbed of sure equalizer or not will be known in due course of time but the match referee seemed to be more nervous. Germany played with shaky start and due to their long tradition had an upper hand though they looked weak opponents to USA. Their chances to move further are not very bright. Their skipper and custodian Kahn is excellent under their bar and he really proved at two occasions otherwise they would have been down by 0-2 in the first half itself. All the best for both the winners in the semi-finals. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ End of goanet-digest V1 #4104 ***************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--W-E-B--S-I-T-E--=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet Digest | http://goacom.com/goanet ====================================================================== * Send e=mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NOT [EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Leave SUBJECT blank <--- Commom Mistake !! * On first line of the BODY of your message, type: subscribe goanet-digest YOUR.EMAIL OR unsubscribe goanet-digest YOUR.EMAIL DO NOT include the entire digest when replying to goanet !!!!!! Questions/Problems? Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=