This person not only keeps picking on my posts (which are not personally addressed to him), but also makes a lot of personal questions, revealing a morbid curiosity about my private life, a peculiar characteristic of some people in Goa. He also does that on Goanet, when he could address me directly to my e-mail. I do not think one's private life is of any interest to Goanetters, and the sole reason why I am also replying on Goanet is because I wish to denounce the ways of this person. After all, who is violating the rules of Goanet?
Yes, I lived in marxist Mozambique for two years after independence. At that time I was 12, so I couldn't be "trying my luck". Nor was my mother. As a Portuguese civil servant, she signed a 2-year contract with the Frelimo Government, as thousands of others did, in order to ensure a smooth transfer of the Administration to the new authorities. This was envisaged in the Lusaka Agreement of September 1974, between the Portuguese Govt. and the Frelimo Movement. Anything wrong with that? We did not run away, we left as we had planned. My parents did not have the slightest intention of living under a black marxist regime, nor did they ever contemplate abandoning their Portuguese citizenship. This is called coherence. Besides, time has proven them right!
By the way, even today there are 30.000 Portuguese citizens in that country, and many have been going there for the first time, to work, and are welcomed by the authorities. After the privatisation process, the Portuguese have regained control of hundreds of companies there, which are among the best performing in the country. So, even if we had stayed there as "aliens", what's the point of your remark?
Yes, as I have written before, I had a Portuguese passport. The first passport I had in my name was issued in 1975, in order to travel to Rodhesia on holiday. As a child, I travelled on my mother's passport.
What is amazing is your obsession with Portuguese passports. What's in a passport? It's just a travel document. One can spend one's entire life without having a passport. But I am a Portuguese national since birth. I couldn't have a passport if did not have the nationality already. Satisfied? This is like teaching a,b,c to school kids. I bet you also have one (Port. passport, or perhaps you applied for one and were denied it).
Where are the self-contradicting statements? Didn't I mention "black Africa" and then Rodhesia and South Africa? You don't seem to know the chronology of recent southern African history, so get yourself documented about that. Until 1980, Rodhesia was ruled by the white-minority Govt. of Ian Smith, and South Africa had the white "apartheid" regime in power, until 1991. Having "reading and comprehension" problems?
The name of your relative did not come by accident, and you did not even have to ask, you knew it. It occurred to me because of your ridiculous boast about the "achievers" in your family. In my family, modesty and discretion are considered virtues, so you'll never hear from me about the achievements of my relatives. There are various sides to any "achievement". Out of respect for someone who is no more, I shall refrain from talking about Aquino's "achievements".
As for statistics, I realise that you are in a fix, because you can't deny them, so you have to downplay their importance (and yet you consider them interesting reading). But statistics are vital to the truth, specially about past events and historical periods. It appears that not a few Goanetters get worked up when statistics are quoted in support of one's points of view!
Rui Manuel Collaço
Lisbon
From: Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies... Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 00:51:32 +0530
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Collaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...
> Mr. Bhatcar, you really do not seem to have much knowledge of the world
> outside your little Goa. But you should not talk about what you ignore. I
> was born and lived in Mozambique up to 1977. I assure you that both
> Mozambique and Angola were, at the time they attained independence in
1975,
> among the most developed countries of Africa .
Comment: So you did live as an 'alien' in Marxist Mocambique for two years
trying your luck.Did you have a Portuguese passport then or did that come
later?
The standard of living and infrastructure were second to none among the countries of black Africa. Only Rodhesia and South Africa were better off. Comment: Self-contradicting statements or were Rhodesia and South Africa white-washed then?
What happened after independence cannot be blamed on Portugal. Marxist
regimes, helped by the Soviet Union and Cuba, brought in civil war and
disastrous socialist experiments. The economies were all but destroyed.
Even today Mozambique is far from reaching the level where it was in 1975.
Angola's civil war was a consequence of the cold war. Corruption and
African-style appropriation of Govt. funds explain the rest. Some Goan
> marxists, like Aquino de Bragança in Mozambique, served these regimes,
> contributing to the disastrous mess into which they became.
Comment: The name of Aquino did not come by accident here,did it? There wer
no Bharati invaders in Mocambique.How well were these nations prepared for
their independence ?Or did Portugal just abandon them when they could govern
africa no more? Aquino stayed back to help.The likes of you ran away after
two years.Why not immediately,Sir?
By the present state of affairs in those countries you cannot judge how
they were in the past! Rui Manuel Collaço, Lisbon
> Comment: Why not 'sex' your statement with some statistics? It would make
interesting reading.
> Cheers ;))
Miguel
> >From: "Nagesh Bhatcar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Of late I have seen many rancourous exchanges on how good Portugal is. > >I was just wondering whether or not Portugal really did a whole lot for all > >of itscolonies. Perhaps Goa and Macau were the only two, that progressed as they had > >fairly advanced civilizations that were older than the occupying power > >itself. > >Some history buff can perhaps dwell into this issue. > > > >Nagesh Bhatcar > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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