Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Citizenship for Goans - Interesting Issues

2016-06-09 Thread Venantius J Pinto
Well elucidated Roland. —Venantius On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Roland wrote: > Portugal's Goa Consul-General's recent pronouncement has settled the muddy > waters around Portuguese citizenship for the reported 200,000 or so Goans > who have registered their births in the Lisbon Central Regi

[Goanet] Portuguese Citizenship for Goans - Interesting Issues

2016-06-09 Thread Roland
Portugal's Goa Consul-General's recent pronouncement has settled the muddy waters around Portuguese citizenship for the reported 200,000 or so Goans who have registered their births in the Lisbon Central Registry, viz they are Portuguese citizens. But there are some issues that remain, of no co

[Goanet] Portuguese Citizenship For Bombay's Jews

2014-02-22 Thread roland.francis
My friends Sonny (Samuel), Benny (Benjamin), Gary (Gershon) and all those Mahimkars, Poonekars, Samsons and Solomons once of Bombay and now in Israel can soon apply for Portuguese citizenship if the proposed law for admitting Sephardic Jews is passed soon. It is good of Portugal which follows S

[Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-19 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão
An advocate view on citizenship and nationality based on International Law http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Details.aspx?id=12871&boxid=18233265&uid=&dat=12/19/2013 Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-18 Thread Santosh Helekar
If one examines a currently valid passport of any country, irrespective of whether the passport holder was born in foreign colonial captivity or not in the past, it becomes clear that both Shri Falcao and Shri Sanches have been misled. A citizen and passport holder of a country also holds its na

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-16 Thread Santosh Helekar
It looks like Falcao's speculations are exactly the opposite of that of Shri Cyrus Sanches. Perhaps, it is because Falcao consults the Wikipedia and Shri Sanches consults the Merriam-Webster dictionary to obtain their legal knowledge about immigration, citizenship and nationality laws. Here is

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-16 Thread J. Colaco < jc>
Gabriel I suggest that this may not be the entire picture. Please try decipher WHY they need such information in the census reports jc On 16 December 2013 17:14, Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: > Hi George, > Hospitals and medical institutions request ethnic information because, I > believe, c

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-16 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo
Hi George, Hospitals and medical institutions request ethnic information because, I believe, certain diseases like thalassemia, sickle cell disease and a few others, which the doctors on this forum will know, largely occur within certain ethnicities. Not to say that other ethnicities are total

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-16 Thread J. Colaco < jc>
On 16 December 2013 15:00, George Pinto wrote: When the categories are OTHER or OPTIONAL, please confuse the bureaucrats by completing forms as follows even if it does not make sense: RACE: Human NATIONALITY: Human ETHNICITY: Human Besides the bureaucrats, it drives the nationalists (jingoists)

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-16 Thread George Pinto
When the categories are OTHER or OPTIONAL, please confuse the bureaucrats by completing forms as follows even if it does not make sense: RACE: Human NATIONALITY: Human ETHNICITY: Human Besides the bureaucrats, it drives the nationalists (jingoists) and flag-wavers crazy. Also makes the insec

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-16 Thread floriano lobo
If your family had to put down 'GOAN', it would help redeem Goa from the clutches of neo-colonistas. - Original Message - From: "Gabe Menezes" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:48 PM Subject:

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-16 Thread Venantius J Pinto
Cyrus, In a word, Sharp. + Venantius J Pinto On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Cyrus A. Jose Sanches < sanchescy...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Heres what the Merriam -Webster dictionary has to say > Citizen > > Relationship between an individual and a state in which the individual > owes

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-16 Thread J. Colaco < jc>
On 16 December 2013 04:34, Sandesh Anvekar wrote: "People on this forum are still living under the delusions of Aryan/Dravidian theories? Hard to get over the Colonial hangover I must say.." Dear Mr. Anvekar, I am not sure if it is a question of Delusion or Denial followed by Revision. Please

[Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-16 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão
Goans born before December 19, 1961 were all Portuguese Nationals as well as Portuguese citizens. These Goans then became Indian Citizens by the promulgation of the “Goa, Daman and Diu (Citizenship) Order, 1962”. The Nationality did not change. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality Quote

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-16 Thread Sandesh Anvekar
People on this forum are still living under the delusions of Aryan/Dravidian theories? Hard to get over the Colonial hangover I must say.. On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Santosh Helekar wrote: > I would like to thank Falcao for recognizing his Indian ethnicity and > heritage. However, he did

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-16 Thread Gabe Menezes
Here in the U.K. when we visit the Hospital either as an inpatient or outpatient, we are given a form to fill out regarding ethnicity. We are not compelled to do so but it helps. My family puts down Indian.

[Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-16 Thread Cyrus A. Jose Sanches
Heres what the Merriam -Webster dictionary has to say Citizen Relationship between an individual and a state in which the individual owes allegiance to the state and in turn is entitled to its protection. In general, full political rights, including the right to vote and to hold public office,

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-15 Thread Santosh Helekar
I would like to thank Falcao for recognizing his Indian ethnicity and heritage. However, he did not tell me what his nationality was. Is he presently a citizen of India or not? As far as I know, most people who reside in Goa presently have Indian nationality i.e. they are citizens of India. So w

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-15 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo
I couldn't have put it better.

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-14 Thread J. Colaco < jc>
On 14 December 2013 05:16, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão wrote: "Falcão was not born in the Republic of India, so he cannot be a born Indian." COMMENT: Dr. Falcão raises an important point wrt nationality. Miss America 2013, Nina Davuluri, responded to racist swipes (possibly by those who bel

[Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-14 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão
Santosh Helekar chimbelcho at yahoo.com on Fri Dec 13 13:41:50 PST 2013 wrote: Is Falcao not an Indian? If so, what is his ethnic identity, and what is his nationality? Cheers, Santosh RESPONSE: Falcão was not born in the Republic of India, so he cannot be a born Indian. http://www.thefr

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-14 Thread Santosh Helekar
Is Falcao not an Indian? If so, what is his ethnic identity, and what is his nationality? Cheers, Santosh > On Friday, December 13, 2013 3:48 AM, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão > wrote: > > Prof. Sergio Carvalho has made it abundantly clear in his write up on > today's O Heraldo, the dupli

[Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-13 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão
Prof. Sergio Carvalho has made it abundantly clear in his write up on today's O Heraldo, the duplicity and ad-lib opinions of Indians on the above topic. http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Details.aspx?id=12753&boxid=175450859&uid=&dat=12/13/2013 Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-13 Thread Jose Colaco
While Prof Carvalho has written an excellent article, I believe he has made a slip wrt Nehru and the 1974 Treaty. Nehru died 10 yrs before that treaty was signed. jc > On Dec 12, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão > wrote: > > Prof. Sergio Carvalho has made it abundantly clear

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-12 Thread Jose Colaco
which were reduced temporarily for a short > period in 1930s and 40s by the Estado Novo, and were re-established in the > 50s. I am sorry I cannot give the exact periods, as I don't have the > materials at hand. > > Gabriel de Figueiredo. > > From: Eugene C

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-12 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo
re-established in the 50s. I am sorry I cannot give the exact periods, as I don't have the materials at hand.    Gabriel de Figueiredo. From: Eugene Correia >To: goa...@goanet.org >Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2013 5:02 PM >Subject: Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship > > >

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

2013-12-11 Thread Eugene Correia
It looks surprising that some have said that those born before Goa's Liberation has Portuguese nationality as its "birthright". Political history showed why Portugal made Goa a "province" and named it Estado da India. To give such a legality to what Goa was then, just a colony, is a play on constit

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Citizenship

2012-06-17 Thread eustace fernandes
PM Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese Citizenship Just a correction I want to make. An Indian holding a foreign passport  with an OCD card, he/she can get employment, start a business, but cannot stand for elections, or vote. Its correct he/she cannot buy agricultural land, but can buy a flat/house

[Goanet] Portuguese Citizenship

2012-06-12 Thread Ana Maria de souza-Goswami
My apologies there was a typing error. Its OCI Card and not OCD. Sorry about that. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Citizenship

2012-06-12 Thread Jose Colaco
Ah Ana-Maria! Am still a bit perplexed by the OCD card. This means that most Goans will not be able to contest elections or vote in them. jc (;-) Pardon any Typos. This IPad does some curious auto- corrections On Jun 12, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Ana Maria de souza-Goswami wrote: > Just a correc

[Goanet] Portuguese Citizenship

2012-06-12 Thread Ana Maria de souza-Goswami
Just a correction I want to make. An Indian holding a foreign passport with an OCD card, he/she can get employment, start a business, but cannot stand for elections, or vote. Its correct he/she cannot buy agricultural land, but can buy a flat/house. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami

[Goanet] Portuguese citizenship............

2012-06-12 Thread eustace fernandes
Dears,   Can anyone have an update if India would allow dual nationality anytime soon?   Thank you in advance for the information.   Regards, Eustace From: Vivian A. DSouza To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:36 PM Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship

[Goanet] Portuguese citizenship............

2012-03-24 Thread Vivian A. DSouza
I realize that  for many, acquiring a Portuguese passport, is a ticket out of Goa/India.  But as Roland has pointed out there are a number of issues to consider. Acquiring a Portuguese passport effectively means giving up Indian Nationality and all the perks in India that go along with being an

[Goanet] Portuguese Citizenship Acquisition for Goans.

2012-03-23 Thread Roland Francis
I hope that the organizers of these seminars are also advising Goans of their legal duty to the Indian Republic to give up their Indian citizenship and surrender their Indian passports once they receive Portuguese passports, failing which they are in an illegal position and subject to the punitive

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship for Indians

2011-02-13 Thread Ashley D'Silva
ists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of armstrong augusto vaz Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:37 PM To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship for Indians http://www.consuladoportugalgoa.com/initialpage1.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_nationality_law http://www.merinews.

[Goanet] Portuguese citizenship for Indians

2011-02-12 Thread armstrong augusto vaz
http://www.consuladoportugalgoa.com/initialpage1.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_nationality_law http://www.merinews.com/article/goans-explore-europe-through-portuguese-citizenship/130316.shtml http://www.groundreport.com/Business/Learn-Portuguese-to-earn-a-passport/2924172 Time is t