Re: [appengine-java] Oracle sues Google on Java Patents and Copyright

2010-08-14 Thread Guillermo Schwarz
Reminds me of 1998, when Sun sued Microsoft over modifications on Java, which turned up to be the equivalent of C# delegates and could be easily implemented in Java but so far have not been included in Java (closures are far more ambitious, but still not implemented). The result of the lawsuit was

Re: [appengine-java] Oracle sues Google on Java Patents and Copyright

2010-08-14 Thread Dave Watts
> Will Google App Engine for Java be impacted ? No. The lawsuit concerns Android/Dalvik, Google's mobile Java implementation. The licensing for J2SE and J2ME are significantly different. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is

Re: [appengine-java] Oracle sues Google on Java Patents and Copyright

2010-08-14 Thread Francois MASUREL
Yep, but it's not the full standard OpenJDK as some classes are not accessible (white list). I bet Oracle doesn't agree with that. But they'll probably do one thing at a time, we'll see. I don't enjoy what is going on at the moment, Java being my main developping language for almost 10 years now

Re: [appengine-java] Oracle sues Google on Java Patents and Copyright

2010-08-14 Thread Wilson MacGyver
I don't think so. The lawsuit is really against the android VM Dalvik. Since GAE uses openjdk as far as I know, it's not a problem. On Aug 14, 2010, at 5:52 AM, François Masurel wrote: > Will Google App Engine for Java be impacted ? > > I guess that if the Oracle patents are validated, Google w

Re: [appengine-java] Oracle sues Google on Java Patents and Copyright

2010-08-14 Thread Guillermo Schwarz
That's a very interesting question. First of all, I doubt Oracle would be interested in killing a cloud technology based in Java if there are other corresponding technologies doing the same (Python). It would kill half the market AND demonstrate Java as inadequate for serious cloud computing. Sup

[appengine-java] Oracle sues Google on Java Patents and Copyright

2010-08-14 Thread François Masurel
Will Google App Engine for Java be impacted ? I guess that if the Oracle patents are validated, Google wont be able to use their "adapted" version of the JDK anymore because it will not pass the TCK tests which is required to get the GPL patent grant. Does that mean the end of the Google App Engi