[CLOSED] Office Hours: 2010-02-10
Welcome to API office hours! *Please top post your question or comment about the robot, gadget, or embed API to make sure we see it. You can do so by replying to this blip.* *A transcript of this wave will be made publicly available. If you don't want to appear in the transcript, delete your blip after getting a response. Be careful not to remove neighboring blips.* *And don't add robots to this wave!* Reply Edit 11:04 am Bart Thate: hoi ;] to be on topic is there any information about this ticket ? ... http://code.google.com/p/google-wave-resources/issues/detail?id=407 Reply Edit 11:05 am Bart Thate: my waves are being taken over because of this .. already posted on the group. Reply Edit 11:05 am You: Sorry I haven't seen any update on that report internally yet. Let me give it a ping to get it on people's radar. Reply Edit 11:05 am Bart Thate: thnx ;] Reply Edit 11:07 am You: yep just sent an update in the internal team about this, hopefully we will get something soon. Reply Edit 11:07 am Bart Thate: i hope permissions stuff is going to be in the new API any ETA yet ? Reply Edit 11:09 am You: I haven't heard anything regarding gadget permission of yet, let me see if Marcel knows this. Reply Edit 11:09 am Bart Thate: sorry if i'm too direct in my questions ;] Reply Edit 11:10 am You: that's okay :) it's totally understandable, let me ping marcel. He is gonna drop by in a little bit. Reply Edit 11:09 am Bart Thate: thnx ;] Reply Edit 11:11 am Bart Thate: for my view on this see http://groups.google.nl/group/google-wave-api/browse_thread/thread/60ee34881cfe82a1 Reply Edit 11:14 am You: thx added to the internal report. Reply Edit 12:23 pm Avishay Balderman: Is this wave to ask questions like: "why this and that are not working for me?" thanks. Reply Edit 11:13 am Eric Kolotyluk: Are there any plans in the future to allow an outside agent, some other server or application, to create a wave and add participants to it? Reply Edit 11:13 am You: Yes this is actually going to be soon pretty soon with the upcoming new API release, you will be able to make authenticated active request on behalf on an robot to do things like creating wave, etc. Reply Edit 11:16 am Eric Kolotyluk: We're considering using a wave to tie together one or more different, but related, applications. One application would create the wave and pass off a reference to the wave to other applications, and they could all put robots in the wave to interact with it, and possibily each other - is this a scenario you guys have envisioned? Reply Edit 11:17 am You: yes that's entirely possible. You can actively create a wave, store it's id information. And other "agents" can fetch this wave base on these data. We will be releasing sample app that does things like that along with the release. Reply Edit 11:18 am Eric Kolotyluk: Cool - thanks - I look forward to trying this out. I would like to build a proof of concept that I can demonstrate to my management. Reply Edit 11:18 am Daniel França: Hi everybody, there're some plans to create a more mail-like interface? I saw that some people think this interface is a little confused. and when the draft checkbox will be enabled? Reply Edit 11:19 am You: Hi we certainly welcome any feedback on any UX features, you can submit them to Wave Help Center - http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/wave?hl=en&utm_source=HC&utm_medium=leftnav&utm_campaign=wave I am part of the API team so I can't speak much on the UX design and upcoming releases. Reply Edit 11:19 am Daniel França: thank you Austin Reply Edit 11:20 am Thomas: it would be very interesting to know what exactly is confusing in the interface, I think it is very clear. Reply Edit 11:26 am Daniel França: Hi Thomas, talking to people from my office, some say that the whole wave (navigation+contacts+inbox+wave) have a lot of information, and when they saw that at first they don't even know where to start to look and I think the wave itself is a little confused, when there're a lot of messages (some inside others) most people don't know where to start to read it. That's why I said to hava a interface mail-like... with only one blip or wavelet at first Reply Edit 11:27 am Thomas: if you know outlook, I think it looks pretty similar. the inbox and the "mail-preview" Reply Edit 11:33 am Daniel França: yes, the same layout, but there're a lot of thumbnails that makes it confused, thumbnails in contacts, thumbnails in inbox, thumbnails in wave, etc I think it's little things that can avoid some regular people to try it. Reply Edit 11:35 am Thomas: okay, I'm hearing a lot of people sayin that wave is dead and there are no contacts to interact with. never heard about the many thumbnails or so :) I was a bit confused^^ Reply Edit 11:36 am Daniel França: heheh, I understand =) it's just one guy here at office who says that, he was not really clear, but he knows that he thinks wave is confused, but don't know exactly why, understand? for me it's a little bit confused the organization of the wave itself, the wavelets, blips, replys, it's hard to understand at first and to know where to look first. Reply Edit 11:38 am Daniel França: and I'm having a hard work to try to make a gadget communicates with a database and interact with the shared events :( but I've to go now, later we talk more. bye Reply Edit 11:21 am Eric Kolotyluk: Another feature I would like to see is some sort of notification mechanism like my Thunderbird or Outlook that pops up a little notice in the lower right of my screen. Are there any plans for something like that, or perhaps a plugin for Thunderbird (sorry if I am off the API topic)? Reply Edit 11:22 am You: sounds like a good one, i know a lot of people are interested in this. Reply Edit 11:23 am Eric Kolotyluk: One of the big reasons I underutilize the wave is this lack of notification mechanism. I suspect other people have this problem too. Reply Edit 11:26 am Christoph Budzinski: You may want to try the One Number extension for Google Chrome, adds notifications for GMail, Wave, Reader, etc. I found this to be very useful combined with Wave because now I always see when someone just wrote me and is online. Reply Edit 11:30 am Eric Kolotyluk: Thanks Christoph - another thing for me to check out. Reply Edit 11:24 am Thomas: I think I have read about some windows applications with some sort of auto refresh features. I search for a link :) http://code.google.com/p/google-wave-notifier/ this is an open source gw notifier. its quite cool. But only with auto-refresh! not pushing. Reply Edit 11:27 am Eric Kolotyluk: Thanks Thomas - I'm checking it out. Reply Edit 11:29 am Rebecca Chernoff: Austin: At one point I heard the new api would be released before Valentine's Day. Does that still hold true? Reply Edit 11:29 am You: Hi Rebecca, you probably heard that from Pam. I think that's what we are trying to do, we still have a few more days to make it a reality :) stay tuned. Reply Edit 11:30 am Rebecca Chernoff: Thanks. Is there any documentation to look at now? Reply Edit 11:31 am You: That's part the work that we are trying to finalize, once all the docs, samples are ready we will blog about this and post to the group. We want to make sure that it is in a good shape before we let you guys play with it :) Reply Edit 11:38 am Thomas: do you want to spoiler some new samples austin? what are you currently working on? ;) Reply Edit 11:40 am Bart Thate: np i know it takes time ;] Reply Edit 11:41 am Edited by Thomas: this might be a cool robot, do you think the robot developers can take a bit of your code?^^ many robot devs have a google code repository and some issues to track, this is a nice feature. Reply Edit 11:42 am You: yep it will be released as open source, take whatever you need :) and of course ther are other robots that you will find very useful too when we release the sample codes. Reply Edit 11:42 am Bart Thate: how is the registration of bots going to be ? do we need to produce keys etc ? Reply Edit 11:43 am You: no we will provide a location online where you register your robot one time and you will keep the oauth token to used in your robot. Reply Edit 11:43 am Bart Thate: ok its oauth didnt know that yet. Reply Edit 11:44 am You: Yes that's how we allow robot or basically any program to make active request as a robot. Essentially you can write a local Java app that makes a request to fetch a wavelet (authenticated with Oauth), and perform actions against it. Reply Edit 11:45 am Eric Kolotyluk: You can do this now, or will be able to do it with the next release? Reply Edit 11:45 am You: new API :) sorry for the wait. Reply Edit 11:46 am Edited by Eric Kolotyluk: New for the next release, or further in the future? Reply Edit 11:47 am You: this is all going to be available very soon, the next release. Reply Edit 11:45 am Edited by Bart Thate: do you know of any python examples using oauth .. i tried it a time ago but the keys stuff was too difficult to me ;] .. now i understand i reg my bot and get a key and use that .. Reply Edit 11:46 am You: yes we are releasing smaples for both java nad python. You don't really have to know about oauth, the client library will shield all the complexity, you just have to supply certain data. Reply Edit 11:46 am Bart Thate: briljant ;] thnx hope i can port my bots over quickly. Reply Edit 11:47 am You: yep hope to see what you guys can build too, feel free to bug me and Pam in the group regarding any questions. Reply Edit 11:47 am Bart Thate: will do ;] Reply Edit 11:49 am Thomas: yea I am really excited to see the new API, can't wait to write new bots Reply Edit 11:40 am Bart Thate: owww man sorry its just that the waiting is so hard ;]] Reply Edit 11:50 am Bart Thate: ok other question while i'm here are there any developments regarding the size of waves ? currently i can only do ~300 blips in a wave before it takes a long time for the wave to load. I was thinking of continuations of waves .. liked a linked list of waves. A client that could cache waves or more like concurrently loading waves would be helpfull with this. easily following the wave ? guess its an OT thing which i completely dont understand ;] Reply Edit 11:51 am You: I don't really have an answer for this. Maybe you can post this in the group I can get one of the guys who worked on that to respond later. Reply Edit 11:52 am Bart Thate: yeah good plan it just that im a bit of brainstorming.. guess the group is a better place for that indeed ;] Reply Edit 11:53 am Thomas: so you want to cache a lot of waves in a linked list? can't really believe this provides a fast loading Reply Edit 11:56 am Bart Thate: like if the waves have serial numbers i can cache in the client the wave before this wave and the one after so i can browse larger "super" waves. If the client can concurrently load waves that would give a faster experience .. 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