Well it looks like this discussion is fizzling out, but just in case
there are still people actually view this, I wanted to add some other
related thoughts.
I started doing some research into this idea, and found some
interesting things. Like for one, that there are people much larger
than me tha
> It would be a titanic effort to rebuild so many standars.
Would it? It been done many times before. And in the long run, I'm
really only talking about (relatively) minor changes to the existing
protocols. And then the "browser" sitting on top would just need to
address security, and understand
> I think this discussion is off the track. If you have a specific
> application, for a specific class of customers,
> by all means bypass the middle man.
>
> That's not what browsers and web protocols are intended for...
To me, you are missing the point. Regardless of why the internet was
creat
> I believe it is. In my understanding, having a browser listen on a
> specific port and having it wait for any incoming connection from
> anyone exposes it to attacks.
Hi Yanick,
I think you are misunderstanding push communication. When you use a
chat program (outside of the web), push is being
> Let me summarize: what you want is... Java applets, Silverlight, Flash/
> Flex, with a way to do "server push". Well, you already have all this:
> Silverlight can use sockets [1], as well as Flash/Flex [2] (I don't
> know for Java/JavaFX, but as far as I'm concerned java on the web is
> dead for
> Mr. Lusus, let me shake your hand, that's exactly as my own feeling is
> about the web today. We have tried to push the actual 'web' beyond its
> capabilities.
>
Thank You Sir. Consider my hand shook. If only we could get others to
understand? Many of the replies (a
> > Would it be that hard to get the general public to accept a new internet
> > that involves application browsers?
>
> I think that you dramatically underestimate people’s reluctance to
> install something new. It took a long time for the web and its
> protocols to reach the levels of satur
> What do you mean by "major programming languages"? Javascript is a
> major programming language. (more on this below) I understand,
> however, that HTTP was originally created to display content
> (documents) in standardized way, as BBS were insufficient, and there
> was a need to, well, "pleas
> Well, have a look at Java Web Start, .NET ClickOnce or Adobe AIR
> "install badge".
>
Java Web Start is in the right direction, but is still limited pull
communication, unless you use sockets on other ports, which may or may
not be available. I am starting to realize that my want for push is
d
On Sep 23, 1:25 am, DuoCentillion wrote:
> I think currently the browser is more general, more secure, and more
> streamlined a model for broadcasting and communication than anything
> else yet proposed. We dont rely exclusively on java programs or
> applets to do everything because it is not
On Sep 23, 1:00 am, Daniel Jue wrote:
> You've essentially described the JVM which is on some 4 billion
> machines. Have you programmed with Swing or Applets?
>
The idea that I am suggesting is, yes, essentially like the JVM. But
in my world, it would be a JVM running on a specific public port w
First I would like to point out a few important facts:
1) I think that GWT is a fantastic idea, and that the developers
deserve awards and ice cream and funny hats and should be carried
through the streets.
2) I am just throwing this out as a discussion point.
3) I am not a classically trained pro
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