Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-17 Thread T.A. Yeep
Hi JAB, Sound interesting, however, I'm actually a newcomer to Scale, I wish I could share the joy of mixing that. I guess maybe it is something similar to LSF RVU/UVUs? Thanks for sharing your experience anyway. Hi Carl, I just want to let you know that I have got your explanation, and I

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-17 Thread Steve Hindmarsh
of Carl Zetie - ca...@us.ibm.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:16:38 PM To: gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org Subject: Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction Rob Horton wrote: >I'm not sure what the issue is between DDN and IBM (although I've heard >various

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing

2020-04-17 Thread Aaron Knister
Yeah, I had similar experiences in the past (over a decade ago) with Lustre and was heavily heavily anti-Lustre. That said, I just finished several weeks of what I’d call grueling testing of DDN Lustre and GPFS on the same hardware and I’m reasonably convinced much of that is behind us now

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-17 Thread Carl Zetie - ca...@us.ibm.com
Dean Flanders: > Thanks for the clarification. I have always heard the term "existing > customers" so originally I thought we were fine, > but this is the first time I have seen the term "existing systems". However, > it seems what I said before is mostly correct, > eventually all customers will

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-17 Thread Carl Zetie - ca...@us.ibm.com
Rob Horton wrote: >I'm not sure what the issue is between DDN and IBM (although I've heard >various rumors) >but I really wish they would sort something out. Yes, it’s a pain. IBM and DDN are trying very hard to work something out, but it’s hard to get all the ‘I’s dotted and ‘T’s crossed with

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-17 Thread Carl Zetie - ca...@us.ibm.com
>Now the question, ESS is license per Drive or by capacity? I apologize for the confusion. Within IBM Storage when we say “capacity” licensing we use that as an umbrella term for both Per TB/PB *or* Per Drive (HDD or SSD). This is contrasted with “processor” metrics including Socket and the

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing

2020-04-17 Thread Jonathan Buzzard
On 16/04/2020 04:26, Flanders, Dean wrote: Hello All, As IBM has completely switched to capacity based licensing in order to use SS v5 I was wondering how others are dealing with this? We do not find the capacity based licensing sustainable. Our long term plan is to migrate away from SS v5

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-17 Thread Jonathan Buzzard
On 17/04/2020 11:31, T.A. Yeep wrote: Hi Carl, I'm confused here, in the previous email it was said *And for ESS, it is licensed Per Drive with different prices for HDDs and SSDs.* But then you mentioned in below email that: But new customers and new OEM systems are *all licensed by

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-17 Thread Robert Horton
We're in the same boat. I'm not sure what the issue is between DDN and IBM (although I've heard various rumors) but I really wish they would sort something out. Rob On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 07:35 +, Steve Hindmarsh wrote: > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the ICR. Do not click >

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-17 Thread Ryan Novosielski
ftware on their DDN system) -michael Michael Sedlmayer -Original Message- From: gpfsug-discuss-boun...@spectrumscale.org On Behalf Of Flanders, Dean Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 5:40 PM To: gpfsug main discussion list Subject: Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important corr

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-17 Thread Steve Hindmarsh
system) -michael Michael Sedlmayer -Original Message- From: gpfsug-discuss-boun...@spectrumscale.org On Behalf Of Flanders, Dean Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 5:40 PM To: gpfsug main discussion list Subject: Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction Hello

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-16 Thread Michael Sedlmayer
-Original Message- From: gpfsug-discuss-boun...@spectrumscale.org On Behalf Of Flanders, Dean Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 5:40 PM To: gpfsug main discussion list Subject: Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction Hello Carl, Thanks for the clarification. I have

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-16 Thread Flanders, Dean
M To: gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org Subject: Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction > From my understanding existing customers from DDN, Lenovo, etc. that >have v4 with socket based licenses are not entitled v5 licenses socket >licenses. Is that a correct understanding

[gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - Lenovo information

2020-04-16 Thread Michael Hennecke
On Behalf Of Carl Zetie - ca...@us.ibm.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 10:25 PM To: gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org Subject: [External] Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction > From my understanding existing customers from DDN, Lenovo, etc. that >have v4

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-16 Thread Carl Zetie - ca...@us.ibm.com
> From my understanding existing customers from DDN, Lenovo, etc. that have v4 > with socket based licenses >are not entitled v5 licenses socket licenses. Is that a correct understanding? It is not, and I apologize in advance for the length of this explanation. I want to be precise and as

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-16 Thread Flanders, Dean
, 2020 2:44 PM To: gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org Subject: Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction Folks, I need to correct a common misunderstanding that is perpetuated here: > As IBM has completely switched to capacity based licensing in order to > use SS v5 F

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-16 Thread Carl Zetie - ca...@us.ibm.com
Folks, I need to correct a common misunderstanding that is perpetuated here: > As IBM has completely switched to capacity based licensing in order to use SS > v5 For new customers, Scale is priced Per TB (we also have Per PB licenses now for convenience). This transition was completed in

[gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing

2020-04-15 Thread Flanders, Dean
Hello All, As IBM has completely switched to capacity based licensing in order to use SS v5 I was wondering how others are dealing with this? We do not find the capacity based licensing sustainable. Our long term plan is to migrate away from SS v5 to Lustre, and based on the Lustre roadmap we