Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-03-01 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Colin Watson : > Right. I implemented Eric's $BROWSER spec in 2001, but I think that's > the only idea of his in man-db at the moment. The change Eric's > referring to is in the other Linux man package as of version 1.6; but as > you say the BSDs use their own things, and as of earlier this year

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-03-01 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 07:53:34PM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Eric S. Raymond wrote on Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:15:35PM -0500: > > 2. Some time ago I added to Linux man(1) the capability to recognize > > HTML pages in the man hierachy and kick them over to the user's Web > > browser. All Linux a

Re: [Groff] The future redux

2014-03-01 Thread hohe72
Tadziu Hoffmann wrote (Wed, 26 Feb 2014 23:06:17 +0100): > > > Three browsers, three layouts (surf uses webkit). > > Hmmm, well, I suspect if you used groff with -Tlatin1, -Tlj4, > -Tdvi, and -Tps you might also get four different layouts... > Simply consider different browsers like different d

Re: [Groff] The future redux

2014-03-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Federico, Ralph Corderoy wrote on Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 11:29:08AM +: > Federico wrote: >> While we are (slightly) digressing, may I ask the broader group, what >> are the best current tutorials for Groff? >> >> Most of the material I know of is... rather dated. Not necessarily >> bad, but

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-03-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Yes, HTML output from makeinfo does exist (I have contributed code to > that mode of makeinfo myself). It's a kludge, though, and not much > used. Tellingly, the various pieces of HTML you can produce from > Texinfo sources are not even properly cross-linked to *each other*, > let alone to t

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-03-01 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Ralph Corderoy : > Important though a lightweight input format is, a lightweight set of > tools for rendering it in the comman output formats is also needed. > From others' comments it appears asciidoc doesn't give that at the > moment. Nor does Texinfo, if the same standards were applied. > This

Re: [Groff] The future redux

2014-03-01 Thread Deri James
On Sat 01 Mar 2014 11:29:08 Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Then there's Dale Dougherty and Tim O'Reilly's _Unix Text Processing_. > http://home.windstream.net/kollar/utp/ Given they were using troff to > produce their books, and continued to use groff for a long time to do > the production even when they

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-03-01 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Eric, > Where we're probably going is that (a) info will die, to be replaced > by HTML browsed from within Emacs, and (b) Texinfo will be replaced by > a modern lightweight format that can render to both print and HTML; > most likely asciidoc. Important though a lightweight input format is, a

Re: [Groff] The future redux

2014-03-01 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Federico, > While we are (slightly) digressing, may I ask the broader group, what > are the best current tutorials for Groff? > > Most of the material I know of is... rather dated. Not necessarily > bad, but not very recent either - and not very concise, either. What > do you point to get new