Re: [Groff] [patch] unbreak build: doc/Makefile.sub

2014-03-15 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Werner's latest commit adding meintro_fr broke the build. Here is > the tiny fix. Thanks. I've committed a slightly extended patch. Werner

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-15 Thread Peter Schaffter
Eric -- On Fri, Mar 14, 2014, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > - Increased use of browsers shifts the commonest use cases for man pages > in a direction that rewards structural rather than presentational markup. This is a tad OT, but do you know for a fact there's an increased use of browsers to read

Re: [Groff] automatic equation numbering

2014-03-15 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > So I wanted to ask - what is the easiest > way of achieving equation (or table, > figure, etc. ) cross-referencing with groff? > I've only tried mm and ms, but will try > other macro packages if advised. The most recent version of the mom macros im

Re: [Groff] automatic equation numbering

2014-03-15 Thread Ted Harding
[See at end] On 15-Mar-2014 20:54:10 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > Hi > > My groff experience is very limited. I've been using latex for > years, so probably I just need to get used to groff ways of > cross-referencing. > > I'd like to give a label to every equation, and then use those > labels fo

[Groff] [patch] unbreak build: doc/Makefile.sub

2014-03-15 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Werner's latest commit adding meintro_fr broke the build. Here is the tiny fix. Yours, Ingo - 8< - schnipp - >8 - 8< - schnapp - >8 - 2014-03-15 Ingo Schwarze (tiny change) * doc/Makefile.sub: Let the build access the preconv binary. This

[Groff] automatic equation numbering

2014-03-15 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
Hi My groff experience is very limited. I've been using latex for years, so probably I just need to get used to groff ways of cross-referencing. I'd like to give a label to every equation, and then use those labels for cross-referencing, as in latex. I've done someting like this with mm EC + mmr

Re: [Groff] Add --with-doc configuration option

2014-03-15 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
.. i've taken keithmarshall@ off Cc:, my mail-provider cannot deliver to this address Werner LEMBERG wrote: |> IMO, "--without-doc" should not apply to the "make dist" goal. | |Yep. | |> I also think having a check here and there is not a bad thing. I'll |> add it for my patch. | |

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-15 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Ingo Schwarze : > > - Increased use of browsers > > That's overstated. It is not just use of browsers that makes > semantic markup desirable, it's also useful in its own right, for > example to support semantic searching. Nobody would be happier than me if semantic search were more than a wish a

Re: [Groff] Add --with-doc configuration option

2014-03-15 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> IMO, "--without-doc" should not apply to the "make dist" goal. Yep. > I also think having a check here and there is not a bad thing. I'll > add it for my patch. OK. > In fact it seems that AC_ARG_WITH doesn't allow to define an > enumeration of allowed arguments, so that this is implied as

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-15 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:26:46PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Peter Schaffter : > > The build system > > > > - streamline the build system to improve flexibility and portability > > Nothing you can ever do with autotools will ever be describable as > 'streamlining'. It's a horrible, bloate

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-15 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Pierre-Jean wrote: |And why not mentionning heirloom implementation ? Isn't it |an important reference for anyone wishing to work on these |features ? I think Werner Lemberg also mentioned a clean and nicely scalable object based implementation in that thread. That GNU Troff has. --steffen

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-15 Thread Pierre-Jean
Hello groffers, Before reading further, please remember that I switched from groff to heirloom troff because groff was missing things that I need. I nonetheless hope that my opinion might be of some interest for you. Peter Schaffter wrote: > Here's a draft for a mission statement, based on di

Re: [Groff] Add --with-doc configuration option

2014-03-15 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Keith Marshall wrote: |On 14/03/14 20:04, Peter Schaffter wrote: |> Can't imagine a situation where 'make dist' would want to exclude |> documentation. Assume nothing. :) | |Since the intended purpose of "make dist" is to create distribution |tarballs, such as those published on FSF mirror

Re: [Groff] Add --with-doc configuration option

2014-03-15 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Nice saturday, Peter Schaffter wrote: |On Fri, Mar 14, 2014, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |> well ok, i think i have something that i could post (after some |> more checking, i.e., tomorrow). |> What would you say about an additional --with-examples? | |What would be the point? PREFIX/doc/examp

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-15 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Eric and Peter, Eric S. Raymond wrote on Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:26:46PM -0400: >> Manpages > I think we can be a little more specific here: that's exactly what i meant, it certainly feels like this could be more specific, but once you do word it more specifically, the result no longer reflec

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-15 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Werner LEMBERG : > Do you like to contribute an SCons build file? It's always good to > have more than a single choice. If it indeed proves as superior – in > particular, if it runs on ancient platforms supported by autoconf and > automake – we can move to that. I fear the "ancient platforms" ar

Re: [Groff] Mission statement

2014-03-15 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Ingo, > > - real number arithmetic to replace current integer arithmetic > > Do you really mean "replace", or rather something like "complement" or > "provide in addition to"? If you do mean "replace", i fear > compatibility issues. Besides, isn't integer arithmetics better > suited to some