Re: [Groff] Reproducible dates in HTML/PDF/PS output files?

2014-08-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> 2) Add an option or environment variable or something to suppress > the inclusion of timestamps. This is the way to go, I guess. > For bonus points, set this when building groff's own > documentation. Hmm. I rather suggest to provide this as a configuration option so that builds

[Groff] Reproducible dates in HTML/PDF/PS output files?

2014-08-26 Thread Colin Watson
Hi, Various Debian developers are working on a long-term project to ensure that our packages can be built in a byte-for-byte reproducible way. This makes it easier to do interesting things like defending against people attempting to attack free software developers' systems; for example the Tor bro

Re: [Groff] Spanish Hyphenation

2014-08-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Could you write a short howto for that (e.g. using spanish as example) ? > > That would be helpful for everyone adding a new language. There's already a file in the groff distribution that explains localization: tmac/LOCALIZATION. I suggest that . this file gets distributed . people add

[Groff] Problem with MM spacing

2014-08-26 Thread Blake McBride
Greetings, Given MM input text: .nr Hb 0 .nr Hs 0 .nr Hi 0 .H 1 A .P Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party. .H 2 B .P Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party. Groff produces output in which the section headers are o

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Pierre-Jean
Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Would you consider the groff list suitable if the list's owners and > general population of subscribers were happy? Seems a shame to fragment > the small, fledgling community. This was, in fact, our first opinion. But we finally thought it would be annoying for the groff

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> It appears to Carsten and I that there's place to some coordination >> even if we are working on different projects, with different goals, >> and using different troff implementations. > > Would you consider the groff list suitable if the list's owners and > general population of subscribers w

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Carsten Kunze
Hello, - Original Nachricht Von: Ingo Schwarze > I can't speak for the list's owners, obviously... > ... but as a member of the population, i heartily agree with Ralph's > perspective. > ... and how few yelled "stop this off-topic crap" the rash spectator > might already jump to c

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing?bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "Tadziu Hoffmann" > > > In the not yet public version of `runoff.7', there is a table > > consisting of several pages. But in groff, it was impossible > > to use a single table; I had to split each page as a table of > > its own (both in nroff and troff). > > But that is a problem of the

Re: [Groff] Spanish Hyphenation

2014-08-26 Thread Yves Cloutier
Hello Walter, I certainly can. If you don't hear back from me in a couple days, please remind me, as I'm working on another exciting project at the moment. Regards, yves On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:33 AM, walter harms wrote: > Could you write a short howto for that (e.g. using spanish as exa

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Ralph Corderoy wrote on Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 04:59:07PM +0100: > Pierre-Jean wrote: >> It appears to Carsten and I that there's place to some coordination >> even if we are working on different projects, with different goals, >> and using different troff implementations. > Would you consider

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Ted Harding
On 26-Aug-2014 17:33:07 Peter Schaffter wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014, Carsten Kunze wrote: >> For discussing heirloom troff (and other non-groff specific macro >> packages and tools) a mailing list will be set up to not misuse >> the groff list and annoy groff-only list members (further ;). > > P

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014, Carsten Kunze wrote: > For discussing heirloom troff (and other non-groff specific macro > packages and tools) a mailing list will be set up to not misuse > the groff list and annoy groff-only list members (further ;). Please let us know as soon as the list is set up. I (and

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing?bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Keith Marshall
On 26/08/14 16:38, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: >> In the not yet public version of `runoff.7', there is a table >> consisting of several pages. But in groff, it was impossible >> to use a single table; I had to split each page as a table of >> its own (both in nroff and troff). > > But that is a probl

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Pierre-Jean, > It appears to Carsten and I that there's place to some coordination > even if we are working on different projects, with different goals, > and using different troff implementations. Would you consider the groff list suitable if the list's owners and general population of subscr

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing?bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> In the not yet public version of `runoff.7', there is a table > consisting of several pages. But in groff, it was impossible > to use a single table; I had to split each page as a table of > its own (both in nroff and troff). But that is a problem of the man macros, not groff in general. Norm

Re: [Groff] Spanish Hyphenation

2014-08-26 Thread walter harms
Could you write a short howto for that (e.g. using spanish as example) ? That would be helpful for everyone adding a new language. re wh Am 21.08.2014 01:50, schrieb Yves Cloutier: > I have created hyphen.es and es.tmac and all seems to work! > > I exactly wasn't sure what I had to put in es.

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Pierre-Jean
Hello groffers ! Carsten Kunze wrote: > For discussing heirloom troff (and other non-groff > specific macro packages and tools) a mailing list will be > set up to not misuse the groff list and annoy groff-only > list members (further ;). I'm currently setting up that list: it should be availab

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "Carsten Kunze" > > If you have an example for a long table which does not reliable work I would > be interested to look into this. > In the not yet public version of `runoff.7', there is a table consisting of several pages. But in groff, it was impossible to use a single table; I had t

Re: [Groff] OT: Fork of the Heirloom Documentation Tools for fixing bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Carsten Kunze
> Glad to hear that the heirloom doctools are still being supported with > bugfixes. Thanks for this Carsten! I have tried to contact Gunnar many times in several ways without success. Fixing the bugs has become inevitable now... > The heirloom refer implementation with lookbib and sortbib is mo