[Groff] Times-Roman v. Nimbus Roman No9 L Regular.

2016-05-03 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, By default, groff uses Times Roman, as I'd expect. $ groff <<<'hello world!' | grep Times %%DocumentNeededResources: font Times-Roman %%IncludeResource: font Times-Roman /Times-Roman@0 ENC0/Times-Roman RE /F0 10/Times-Roman@0 SF(hello w)72 12 Q(orld!)-.1 E 0 Cg EP $ B

Re: [Groff] Times-Roman v. Nimbus Roman No9 L Regular.

2016-05-03 Thread Ted Harding
On 03-May-2016 08:51:32 Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi, > > By default, groff uses Times Roman, as I'd expect. > > $ groff <<<'hello world!' | grep Times > %%DocumentNeededResources: font Times-Roman > %%IncludeResource: font Times-Roman > /Times-Roman@0 ENC0/Times-Roman RE > /F0

Re: [Groff] Times-Roman v. Nimbus Roman No9 L Regular.

2016-05-03 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Should I be telling groff that I want to use those Nimbus fonts so it > uses their metrics rather than the "almost identical" Times' ones? If you use the gropdf output device, try groff's `-P -y -P U' option to use the URW fonts. Werner

Re: [Groff] Times-Roman v. Nimbus Roman No9 L Regular.

2016-05-03 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Werner, > > Should I be telling groff that I want to use those Nimbus fonts so > > it uses their metrics rather than the "almost identical" Times' > > ones? > > If you use the gropdf output device, try groff's `-P -y -P U' option > to use the URW fonts. Using -Tpdf gives a PDF that refers to T

Re: [Groff] Times-Roman v. Nimbus Roman No9 L Regular.

2016-05-03 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Werner, > Hmm. It seems that Arch Linux doesn't set up the URW fonts. Bad. They deliberately try to alter upstream as little as possible, AIUI. https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk?h=packages/groff shows the PKGBUILD file that defines how to build the upstream source. I

Re: [Groff] Times-Roman v. Nimbus Roman No9 L Regular.

2016-05-03 Thread Deri James
On Tue 03 May 2016 10:53:45 Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi Werner, > > > > Should I be telling groff that I want to use those Nimbus fonts so > > > it uses their metrics rather than the "almost identical" Times' > > > ones? > > > > If you use the gropdf output device, try groff's `-P -y -P U' option

Re: [Groff] Times-Roman v. Nimbus Roman No9 L Regular.

2016-05-03 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> groff -P -y -P U -Tpdf z.tr > z.pdf > > Ah, no mention of Times, and Nimbus embedded. It's a big file though, > ~120,000 bytes compared with ~4,000 if -Tps and ps2pdf is used to also > embed Nimbus. I guess the latter picks just certain runes? gropdf is very simple; it doesn't subset font

Re: [Groff] .if !dTS - GNU extension?

2016-05-03 Thread Larry Kollar
I’ve looked through this thread and Ingo’s presentation, and several things stand out: * I guess one of the primary issues here is that Groff is GPL, and a BSD distribution wants BSD licenses. That’s valid, if you’re willing to live with the corner-cases. Then again, using something like XHTML

Re: [Groff] .if !dTS - GNU extension?

2016-05-03 Thread Deri James
On Sun 01 May 2016 17:39:59 James K. Lowden wrote: > As far as I can tell, you're defining "best" in terms of the goal of > delivering a base OS without a troff dependency for manual display. I > really don't understand why you consider that desirable. I would like > to see groff used more, not l