Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2024-01-08 Thread Robert Thorsby
On 8/1/24 19:49, G. Branden Robinson wrote: Nine years seems like long enough to wait to resurrect this thread. At 2015-01-20T19:57:25-0500, Doug McIlroy wrote: > ... I recoil from text infected with capital pox, and don't see small caps as much improvement. They do make sense in all-caps

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2024-01-08 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Nine years seems like long enough to wait to resurrect this thread. At 2015-01-20T19:57:25-0500, Doug McIlroy wrote: > [Ralph Corderoy wrote:] > > Thought it might be of interest given troff's long-time S\s-2MALL\s0 > > C\s-2APS\s0, especially used in the formatting of Unix. IIRC, Dennis > >

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-21 Thread Mike Bianchi
(Commentary) http://xkcd.com/1167/ -- Mike Bianchi

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-21 Thread Doug McIlroy
I am very interested in your opinion on what is best, given the trade off between how many days to keep, how many to do each day (6, I think) and how much space there is on the drive. I wonder whether it would be practical to gradually thin nbackup coverage going back in time, to make older

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-21 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Doug and Eric, Ralph wrote: IIRC, Dennis Ritchie said they did it because the CAT gave them the possibility, but it was regretted for the UNIX/Unix confusion it caused. Doug wrote: I think this is urban legend. Small caps were not used in UNIX manuals or in the Bell System

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-20 Thread Meg McRoberts
d...@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: groff@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps. Doug McIlroy d...@cs.dartmouth.edu: Thought it might be of interest given troff's long-time S\s-2MALL\s0 C\s-2APS\s0, especially used in the formatting of Unix

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-20 Thread Doug McIlroy
Thanks for the amplification, Meg. That convention was used in Kernighan's books, and in a few places (but not everywhere) in the manuals.

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-20 Thread Meg McRoberts
alone ;-) From: Doug McIlroy d...@cs.dartmouth.edu To: e...@thyrsus.com; dreidellh...@yahoo.com; d...@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: groff@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps. Thanks for the amplification, Meg. That convention was used

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Doug McIlroy d...@cs.dartmouth.edu: Thought it might be of interest given troff's long-time S\s-2MALL\s0 C\s-2APS\s0, especially used in the formatting of Unix. IIRC, Dennis Ritchie said they did it because the CAT gave them the possibility, but it was regretted for the UNIX/Unix

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-20 Thread Larry Kollar
Steve Izma si...@golden.net wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 07:57:25PM -0500, Doug McIlroy wrote: I recoil from text infected with capital pox, and don't see small caps as much improvement. They do make sense in all-caps text, but sporadic S\s-2MALL\s0 C\s-2APS\s0 or anything like it is

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-20 Thread Steve Izma
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 07:57:25PM -0500, Doug McIlroy wrote: Subject: Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps. I recoil from text infected with capital pox, and don't see small caps as much improvement. They do make sense in all-caps text, but sporadic S\s-2MALL\s0 C\s-2APS\s0 or anything like

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-20 Thread Clarke Echols
When I was working on HP-UX, deriving our content from ATT documents, acronyms and words consisting of uppercase letters were coded by ATT as \s-1HP-UX\s+1, etc. It subdued the overbearing appearance of the uppercase words so they blended better with normal font. I don't recall ever seeing

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-20 Thread Doug McIlroy
Thought it might be of interest given troff's long-time S\s-2MALL\s0 C\s-2APS\s0, especially used in the formatting of Unix. IIRC, Dennis Ritchie said they did it because the CAT gave them the possibility, but it was regretted for the UNIX/Unix confusion it caused. I think this is urban

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-19 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
Which raises the point, does anyone know of a way to extract just the small caps from an OpenType font that has them? Not sure if this is really helpful, but since I have not yet arrived in the OpenType era I use cfftot1 to convert OpenType fonts to Type 1 and then simply use different font

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-19 Thread Peter Schaffter
Tadziu -- On Mon, Jan 19, 2015, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: Which raises the point, does anyone know of a way to extract just the small caps from an OpenType font that has them? Not sure if this is really helpful, but since I have not yet arrived in the OpenType era I use cfftot1 to convert

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-19 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
I'm fond of smallcaps, but I don't like the faked version, not even the OpenType smallcaps. Whenever possible, I always advise getting a designer-cut smallcaps font. I don't understand. Aren't the small caps of OpenType fonts that support this feature supposed to be real, designer-cut small

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-19 Thread Peter Schaffter
Tadziu -- On Mon, Jan 19, 2015, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: I'm fond of smallcaps, but I don't like the faked version, not even the OpenType smallcaps. Whenever possible, I always advise getting a designer-cut smallcaps font. I don't understand. Aren't the small caps of OpenType fonts

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-18 Thread Ali Gholami Rudi
Ralph Corderoy ra...@inputplus.co.uk wrote: http://2d.laboratorium.net/post/108351875900/small-caps-big-problem complains about small caps from Word, etc., compared with small caps designed by the designer. Thought it might be of interest given troff's long-time S\s-2MALL\s0 C\s-2APS\s0,

[Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-18 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, http://2d.laboratorium.net/post/108351875900/small-caps-big-problem complains about small caps from Word, etc., compared with small caps designed by the designer. Thought it might be of interest given troff's long-time S\s-2MALL\s0 C\s-2APS\s0, especially used in the formatting of Unix.

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-18 Thread Ted Harding
On 18-Jan-2015 11:15:05 Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi, http://2d.laboratorium.net/post/108351875900/small-caps-big-problem complains about small caps from Word, etc., compared with small caps designed by the designer. Thought it might be of interest given troff's long-time S\s-2MALL\s0

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-18 Thread Denis M. Wilson
Rather than shrinking, squash the fake small caps, eg: S\H'\n[.s]*5/7'MALL\H'0' C\H'\n[.s]*5/7'APS\H'0' (the 5/7 should approximate to the x-height of the font). This works better because more of the heavy strokes in a western font are upright, and this keeps the weight of those. As

Re: [Groff] Proper Small Caps.

2015-01-18 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi, http://2d.laboratorium.net/post/108351875900/small-caps-big-problem complains about small caps from Word, etc., compared with small caps designed by the designer. I'm fond of smallcaps, but I don't like the faked version, not even the OpenType