Re: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2020-11-25 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Larry, Larry Kollar via wrote on Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:24:44PM -0500: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Somebody wrote: >>> Does Cynthia ever pop up to reflect on mdoc's design? >> Not really. With the help of Marshall Kirk McKusick, i managed to >> get into direct contact with her in 2014 ... >>

Re: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2020-11-23 Thread Larry Kollar via
Ingo Schwarze wrote: >>> 2. The concept of encoding names and versions of all operating >>> systems is not sustainable in the long run. > >> This was probably a product of its times; there was BSD, only one BSD, >> and then there was System V, and the importance of that conflict caused >>

Re: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2020-11-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
[ Stripping the Debian bug from the Cc:; while this may be historically interesting and also interesting for groff, i doubt this matters for the Debian package.] G. Branden Robinson wrote on Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 03:02:49AM +1100: > At 2020-11-22T16:08:56+0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> 2. The con

Re: Bug#284002: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2020-11-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Colin and Branden, Colin Watson wrote on Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 06:18:48PM +: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 03:02:49AM +1100, G. Branden Robinson wrote: >> At 2020-11-22T16:08:56+0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >>> Sure. I dislike the concept of mdoc.local for more than one reason, >>> but probably

Re: Bug#284002: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2020-11-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 03:02:49AM +1100, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > At 2020-11-22T16:08:56+0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > > Sure. I dislike the concept of mdoc.local for more than one reason, > > but probably it is good enough for this purposes if there is no > > better way in Debian. If mdoc.lo

Re: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2020-11-22 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2020-11-22T16:08:56+0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: [worthy backgrounder snipped] > There are many obvious problems in the design: > > 1. The syntax is not really consistent: both coded references > like "BSD" "4.4" and free text strings are supported. Yes, I found this particularly startli

Re: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2020-11-22 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Branden, i have to admit that .Os is among the worst-designed parts of the mdoc(7) language. First, it was't designed consistently to start with. The first major release it was widely used in was 4.4BSD. Already in that release, it was documented in the mdoc(7) manual as "OPERATING_SYSTEM

Re: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2020-11-22 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2019-12-21T14:51:23+0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Colin Watson wrote on Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 01:15:30PM +: > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 01:14:06PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > Side note: I am not the biggest fan of this business of encoding a > > bunch of other projects' release history in g

Re: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2019-12-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Colin, Colin Watson wrote on Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 10:37:09PM +: > On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 02:51:23PM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Consequently, i just pushed the patch to the upstream groff repository, >> with the following tweaks: >> >> * I included the following versions which appear

Re: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2019-12-23 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 02:51:23PM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Consequently, i just pushed the patch to the upstream groff repository, > with the following tweaks: > > * I included the following versions which appeared to be missing: > - NetBSD 6.0.6 and 7.2 > - DragonFly 3.0.2 and 3.2.

Re: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2019-12-21 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hello Colin and Guillem, Colin Watson wrote on Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 01:15:30PM +: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 01:14:06PM +, Colin Watson wrote: >> Based on a patch from Guillem Jover . >> >> * tmac/doc-common-u: Update NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Darwin, and >> DragonFly version strings. >>

Re: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2019-12-17 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2019-12-17T13:15:30+, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 01:14:06PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > Based on a patch from Guillem Jover . > > > > * tmac/doc-common-u: Update NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Darwin, and > > DragonFly version strings. > > > > * tmac/groff_mdoc.7.man: Sync

Re: [PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2019-12-17 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 01:14:06PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > Based on a patch from Guillem Jover . > > * tmac/doc-common-u: Update NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Darwin, and > DragonFly version strings. > > * tmac/groff_mdoc.7.man: Synchronize. Side note: I am not the biggest fan of this business

[PATCH] mdoc: Update operating system release numbers

2019-12-17 Thread Colin Watson
Based on a patch from Guillem Jover . * tmac/doc-common-u: Update NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Darwin, and DragonFly version strings. * tmac/groff_mdoc.7.man: Synchronize. Fixes: https://bugs.debian.org/867123 --- tmac/doc-common-u | 120 ++ tmac/groff_m