Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM

2024-01-08 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Doug, At 2021-01-05T16:19:12-0500, M Douglas McIlroy wrote: > rfc1345.tmac is a great contribution. I hope to see > > 1. inclusion in the standard groff distribution. It shipped, eventually, in groff 1.23.0 six months ago. > 2. the gitlab comment >"Added \[Eu], \[=R], \[=P] from Vim

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2024-01-08 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Doug, Looks like today's my day to reply to years-old mails. At 2021-01-03T17:26:35-0500, M Douglas McIlroy wrote: > I like the idea of an rfc1345.tmac file, and would be happy to operate > under the false assumption that it exists. I think it would be > reasonable to abandon the old AT

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-23 Thread Dave Kemper
On 1/14/21, I wrote: > I had sort of assumed this > wasn't being done because no one had floated the idea before, so I > brought it up for discussion. If there seems to be general buy-in, > I'll open a savannah feature request for it. Opened: http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?59932

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-14 Thread Dorai Sitaram via
(Repeating as public confirmation.) I have updated  https://gitlab.com/ds26gte/groff1345 with a COPYRIGHT file. Thanks for suggesting the prose. --d Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 1:45 AM, G. Branden Robinson wrote: Hi Dorai, I'm replying to both you and the

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-14 Thread Dave Kemper
On 1/13/21, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > I have no argument against your reasoning. The main reason this isn't > being done is because no one is working on it (to my knowledge). I get the scarcity of groff developers, but I had sort of assumed this wasn't being done because no one had floated

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-13 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Dorai, I'm replying to both you and the list because what I have to ask you is important. I used to work in software licensing compliance professionally, so perhaps I am extra paranoid. At 2021-01-14T06:05:41+, Dorai Sitaram via wrote: > Absolutely, do add whatever license is needed; and

PostScript fonts and the groff build process (was: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?)

2021-01-13 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2021-01-13T04:34:50-0600, Dave Kemper wrote: > On 1/4/21, Denis M. Wilson wrote: > > rfc1345 does not have a base-line ellipsis, a character frequently > > used in English writing. > > > It is available as \N'188' in the symbol font or as \[u2026]. > > Since commit aac5fd24 (2003), it has

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-13 Thread Dorai Sitaram via
Absolutely, do add whatever license is needed; and modify what I have (both code and documentation) to suit groff's standards. My repo is purely temporary and meant to ferry the code to you better than email can. --d On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 12:32:19 AM EST, G. Branden Robinson

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-13 Thread G. Branden Robinson
First of all, let me say thanks to Dorai for quickly coming up with rfc1345.tmac! It needs a Free Software license put on it. I can write a unit test for it and fix up the man page, those aren't big problems. It would be nice to get it into groff 1.23.0, about which I am now getting anxious

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-13 Thread Dave Kemper
On 1/4/21, Denis M. Wilson wrote: > rfc1345 does not have a base-line ellipsis, a character frequently used > in English writing. > It is available as \N'188' in the symbol font or as \[u2026]. Since commit aac5fd24 (2003), it has been available in the Symbol font as \[u2026] as well, no longer

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-13 Thread Dave Kemper
On 1/3/21, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Probably the best thing is for document authors (except of man(7) and > mdoc(7) documents) to come up with mnemonics that make sense to them for > the subset of Unicode characters of use and to define special characters > or strings to interpolate them. > >

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM

2021-01-06 Thread Dorai Sitaram via
Thanks! Updated accordingly. --d On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, 02:40:55 PM EST, Richard Morse wrote: Sorry to jump in, but because of the recent thread around sentence spacing, probably the man page should either have every sentence start on a new line, or put two spaces after

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM

2021-01-06 Thread Richard Morse
Sorry to jump in, but because of the recent thread around sentence spacing, probably the man page should either have every sentence start on a new line, or put two spaces after sentence-final periods? Ricky > On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Dorai Sitaram via wrote: > > Thanks, Doug! I've

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM

2021-01-06 Thread Dorai Sitaram via
Thanks, Doug! I've updated https://gitlab.com/ds26gte/groff1345 to include your suggestions 2 and 3. I am not at all confident that the man page I've added hits the right notes or even uses the correct terminology, but the community can easily correct it to meet its standards. --d

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM

2021-01-05 Thread M Douglas McIlroy
rfc1345.tmac is a great contribution. I hope to see 1. inclusion in the standard groff distribution. 2. the gitlab comment "Added \[Eu], \[=R], \[=P] from Vim digraph table." inserted in the file 3. A section groff_mrfc1245 in man7. It can be very short. Tell what it is; and refer

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-05 Thread Dorai Sitaram via
Careful diff'ing reveals that in addition to the \[,.] for horizontal ellipsis, the only digraphs that Vim has over and above RFC 1345 are those for the currency symbols for euro and rouble. That RFC 1345 (written in 1992) missed the euro is understandable, as the latter clinked into existence

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-04 Thread Dorai Sitaram via
To avoid emailing updated versions of rfc1345.tmac, I've created a temporary Git repo https://gitlab.com/ds26gte/groff1345 I've added \[,.] from Vim. If I find any more Vim digraphs that aren't already covered by RFC 1345, I'll add them in due course. --d On Monday, January 4,

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-04 Thread Dorai Sitaram via
Indeed it doesn't. (TBH, I've never warmed to the single-character ellipsis as it seems too narrow in most fonts.) I notice Vim's digraph system (which is based on RFC 1345) uses the digraph ,. (comma-followed-by-period) for U+2026 HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS. Vim's digraphs are pretty standard too,

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-04 Thread Denis M. Wilson
rfc1345 does not have a base-line ellipsis, a character frequently used in English writing. I've also found it surprising that it is not in groff either considering groff was originally written by a British person. It is available as \N'188' in the symbol font or as \[u2026]. Denis On Mon, 4

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-03 Thread Dorai Sitaram via
Enclosed is my draft for rfc1345.tmac. --d On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 09:27:06 PM EST, Dorai Sitaram via wrote: I'll be happy to write up an rfc1345.tmac and send it to you. I don't think it requires a tremendous amount of maintenance, as the list of mnemonics appears not to

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-03 Thread Dorai Sitaram via
I'll be happy to write up an rfc1345.tmac and send it to you. I don't think it requires a tremendous amount of maintenance, as the list of mnemonics appears not to have changed since June 1992. --d On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 08:16:12 AM EST, G. Branden Robinson wrote: At

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-03 Thread M Douglas McIlroy
I like the idea of an rfc1345.tmac file, and would be happy to operate under the false assumption that it exists. I think it would be reasonable to abandon the old AT accent strings while we're at it, even though I have plenty of groff source that uses them. Corollary 1: So that calls for

Re: [ms] Add a standard glyph name for hooked o instead of relying on .AM?

2021-01-03 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2020-12-14T19:07:06+, Dorai Sitaram via wrote: > s.tmac defines a bunch of strings to display extra glyphs if the user > calls the .AM macro. Most of these glyphs are already available with > standard glyph names, and, as far as I can tell, the only new glyph > defined is the hooked o,