On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 23:21 +0200, Dov Grobgeld wrote:
> Actually, for me at least the annoyance level is too high. I often
> have lots of files in a directory and not being able to search for or
> filter them easily is one of the things that is really bothering me. I
> wrote a small enhancement re
Actually, for me at least the annoyance level is too high. I often
have lots of files in a directory and not being able to search for or
filter them easily is one of the things that is really bothering me. I
wrote a small enhancement request to bugzilla:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?i
On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 16:33 +, Nate Nielsen wrote:
> A poor assumption. The people who are happy won't be complaining on a
> mailing list. gtk-list must have hundreds of subscribers, we could just
> as easily assume that all but 10 or so are 'okay' with things.
To assume that the silent major
Peter Eckersley wrote:
> Yikes, this is the zombie thread.
>
> You think it's over and then an old version of my original posting gets resent
> from the moderation queue and it's back and nastier than ever.
>
> It seemed that there were no more than two or three people who were even okay
> (let a
Yikes, this is the zombie thread.
You think it's over and then an old version of my original posting gets resent
from the moderation queue and it's back and nastier than ever.
It seemed that there were no more than two or three people who were even okay
(let alone happy) with the way things are a
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 06:22:46PM +, Iain * wrote:
>
> But like you say, if it fucks you off so much
> Do something about it.
The past discussion of this topic (and there were quite
a few of them) left a feeling in me that such patches (for
example permanent shell-like behaving location entr
On 3/24/06, Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 10:16 +, Iain * wrote:
> > On 2/24/06, Peter Eckersley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Is anyone else equally frustrated?
> >
> > Nope.
> So, Iain, if you are suggesting that there's no room for
> improving the
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 10:16 +, Iain * wrote:
> On 2/24/06, Peter Eckersley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Is anyone else equally frustrated?
>
> Nope.
Yes. I am. And most of the dozen or so gnome users that I know are
also annoyed to varying levels.
Every time I want to save a file, inv
On 2/24/06, Peter Eckersley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is anyone else equally frustrated?
Nope.
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Please read the response to other message:
"Ok, I was following your point of dislike about the Save As.. Dialog,
and may be if you or any other developer modify the code in that dialog
to "Remember" the last state of "Browse for other folders" expander;
then if you like to have this expander all
Hi...
this is just an observation as a user (it's been a long time since I did
any coding with gtk), but I've found the usability of gtk applications
has decreased markedly since they started using the gtk2 file open
dialog.
Although it now supports some limited matching and completion, it's a
fa
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 09:23 +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
> You are using a rather old version of GTK+ then. I suggest that you
> update before you continute to bash the file-chooser. A lot of
> usability problems have been taken care of in recent versions.
I am wrong in my other post. 2.8 definitel
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 09:23 +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
> You are using a rather old version of GTK+ then. I suggest that you
> update before you continute to bash the file-chooser. A lot of
> usability problems have been taken care of in recent versions.
I am currently using 2.8.6 which behaves as
Hi,
Peter Eckersley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> No, you haven't. Just type the name of the file to open (or rather
>> only the first letters of it). Then press Enter once. Do _not_ press
>> Ctrl-L before you do this, just use typeahead as in any other list
>> view.
>
> This fragment of a solut
Hi,
Michael Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And actually typing a path that begins with a slash really requires two
> slashes. One to open the input box and then another slash to actually
> begin the path. For paths beginning with ~ (something I use
> frequently), I have to type /~ (or Ctr
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 11:12 +1100, Peter Eckersley wrote:
> This fragment of a solution is a good example of my problems with the GTK2
> chooser. It works fine, but *only* if the file path you want to type starts
> with / . Typing relative paths, or paths that start with ~, leads to random
> cr
Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Hi,
>
> Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The most annoying things deal with opening files:
> > * if you type the name of the file to open, you have to press enter
> > twice.
>
> No, you haven't. Just type the name of the file to op
Hi,
Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Developers might also want to consider changing their dialog button
> orders to be more consistent with the host UI too. I prefer the
> gnome HIG on this (and Mac), but on Windows I know that this drives
> users nuts. I think Win32 should be th
On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 12:29 +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
> David Necas (Yeti) writes:
> > Sorry, but this is BS. Stop pretending all MS Windows apps
> > use the very same file open dialog, that is just not true.
>
> Indeed. I would say that the more expensive an application running on
> Windows
David Necas (Yeti) writes:
> Sorry, but this is BS. Stop pretending all MS Windows apps
> use the very same file open dialog, that is just not true.
Indeed. I would say that the more expensive an application running on
Windows is, the more probable it is that it has a long history, is
written u
Hello!
No, that's not right. Every 'normal' windows user will complain if an
application don't use the system fileselector today. Sorry, but
using the native file selector is the expected behaviour.
Sorry, but this is BS. Stop pretending all MS Windows apps
use the very same file open dialog,
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 07:57:22AM +0100, Frank Naumann wrote:
>
> No, that's not right. Every 'normal' windows user will complain if an
> application don't use the system fileselector today. Sorry, but
> using the native file selector is the expected behaviour.
Sorry, but this is BS. Stop pre
Hello!
I recall similar arguments about Java swing. They argued that having a
consistent UI for one application across all platforms was more
important than have an app that acted in a consistent way with apps on
any given platform. I think most people would now agree that the latter
is more im
Michael L Torrie wrote:
On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 10:20 +1100, Daniel Kasak wrote:
I'm not so sure about this. I can understand people wanting to have the
*option* of overriding the Gtk2 File Open dialog with a native windows
one, but I personally prefer the Gtk2 dialog - apart from it currently
On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 10:20 +1100, Daniel Kasak wrote:
> I'm not so sure about this. I can understand people wanting to have the
> *option* of overriding the Gtk2 File Open dialog with a native windows
> one, but I personally prefer the Gtk2 dialog - apart from it currently
> now knowing about s
Hi,
Toby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Petr Tomasek wrote:
>> Humm... this seems a wrong approach to me. The user should decide
>> whether a particular bookmark is meant for one application only or
>> globaly, not the application... :-o
>
> And she should be able to set an application-specific bo
Hi,
Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You're right. The need to press Enter twice occurs when I'm typing a
> full path (say /tmp/blah). That is annoying.
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158423
Sven
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Michael L Torrie wrote:
On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 08:53 +0100, Jernej Simončič wrote:
On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:55:18 +1100, Peter Eckersley wrote:
Is anyone else equally frustrated?
Many of us - the new open dialog caused me to start using Windows Exploder
again when I want to open f
Petr Tomasek wrote:
> Humm... this seems a wrong approach to me. The user should decide
> whether a particular bookmark is meant for one application only or
> globaly, not the application... :-o
And she should be able to set an application-specific bookmark, as
opposed to a global one, without the
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 08:27:16PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Petr Tomasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> If you started to use the bookmarks feature, it is likely that you
> >> will not need to use the folders list for about 95% of your file
> >> dialog usage. That is my experience
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 09:37:12PM +0100, Jernej Simončič? wrote:
>
> Scanner control GUI? You do realize that there isn't any standarised
> scanning dialog box on Windows, and that every vendor provides it's own
That was exactly the point. Each one looks like from a
different planet, it often i
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:04:39 +0100, David Necas (Yeti) wrote:
> As far as I know menus are not detachable by default in Gtk+
> (and the Gimp's are for a good reason). It is funny how the
> Microsoft Windows users are comfortable with any braindead
> scanner control GUI where I cannot tell what _ar
On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 14:39 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> No, but people in this thread were talking about reverting to the old
> file chooser, as if that would improve things. It would just mean that
> a different group of people would start to scream (and the intersection
> of the screaming gro
Michael L Torrie wrote:
> The need to press Enter twice occurs when I'm typing a full path
> (say /tmp/blah). That is annoying.
Many times when you're typing a full path, you only want to type the
directory part and then browse the files therein. I think that's what
the double enter is for.
On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 15:45 -0500, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
> Michael L Torrie wrote:
> > Really under Windows, GTK ought to be using the win32 file selector
> > instead of it's own one. That's what users expect.
>
> Is it really ok for users to expect that ?
Yes. Any other assumption is sil
On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 20:29 +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
> No, you haven't. Just type the name of the file to open (or rather
> only the first letters of it). Then press Enter once. Do _not_ press
> Ctrl-L before you do this, just use typeahead as in any other list
> view.
You're right. The need to
On 3/7/06, David Necas (Yeti) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 02:02:01PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > And of course, nobody in this thread can remember the years of screaming
> > and whining about the old file chooser...
>
> With all respect to you, this is a bogus argumen
David Necas (Yeti) wrote:
[...]
Either are those Windows people different species and think
and feel in ways incomprehensible to us (and I am not
convinced of this), or the problem lies somewhere else. More
likely, they are confronted with free software in situations
that invoke their withdrawal
Hi,
Michael L Torrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The most annoying things deal with opening files:
> * if you type the name of the file to open, you have to press enter
> twice.
No, you haven't. Just type the name of the file to open (or rather
only the first letters of it). Then press Enter
Hi,
Petr Tomasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> If you started to use the bookmarks feature, it is likely that you
>> will not need to use the folders list for about 95% of your file
>> dialog usage. That is my experience at least.
>
> I see big problem here. There should be per application bookm
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 02:02:01PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> And of course, nobody in this thread can remember the years of screaming
> and whining about the old file chooser...
With all respect to you, this is a bogus argument.
A different file open dialog does not automatically mean
a good
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 07:19:41PM +0100, Toby wrote:
>
> Detachable menus should also be turned off by default on Windows.
> To its users it just doesn't look right.
As far as I know menus are not detachable by default in Gtk+
(and the Gimp's are for a good reason). It is funny how the
Microso
And of course, nobody in this thread can remember the years of screaming
and whining about the old file chooser...
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Sven Neumann wrote:
> Right-click and select "Show Hidden Files" from the menu.
Wow! I wouldn't have tried that in a million years!
I thought obscure features only came in the form of obscure keystrokes:
I stand corrected.
> Yes, there should be a way to globally enable this.
That's not the p
> > Another one: who came up with the retarded idea of "Browse for other
> > folders"? Just show the damn thing already! Why add 1 useless
> > click (on a small widget on top of that) to 90% of file dialog
> > usage?
>
> If you started to use the bookmarks feature, it is likely that you
> will n
Michael L Torrie wrote:
> Really under Windows, GTK ought to be using the win32 file selector
> instead of it's own one. That's what users expect.
By the way, based on my limited experience (trying to get a few people
to use The Gimp instead of buying Paint Shop Pro—and failing) the custom
file c
On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 08:53 +0100, Jernej Simončič wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:55:18 +1100, Peter Eckersley wrote:
>
> > Is anyone else equally frustrated?
>
> Many of us - the new open dialog caused me to start using Windows Exploder
> again when I want to open files in GIMP, since it's just
On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 15:19 +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Toby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Now for one of the most annoying things ever: how in the world am I
> > supposed to select hidden files on GTK2's file dialog!?
>
> Right-click and select "Show Hidden Files" from the menu. Ye
On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 14:22 +0100, Piotr Legiecki wrote:
> Użytkownik Clemens Eisserer napisał:
>
> >>>Is anyone else equally frustrated?
> >
> >
> > Me too, I simply can't understand who came how in the idea to design
> > such a fileopen dialog.
> > All file-dialogs follow almost the same style
On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 16:55 +1100, Peter Eckersley wrote:
> Is anyone else equally frustrated?
Yes. From a new user usability standpoint, the GTK2 file selector is
probably pretty good. For for anyone who needs more flexibility,
particularly from the keyboard, it sucks.
The most annoying things
On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:19:13 +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
> Your user model is obviously different than mine because I very much
> prefer the new file-chooser over the old one. The problem is to find
> something that works well for the majority of GTK+ users and I believe
> that the new file-chooser
Hi,
Toby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Now for one of the most annoying things ever: how in the world am I
> supposed to select hidden files on GTK2's file dialog!?
Right-click and select "Show Hidden Files" from the menu. Yes, there
should be a way to globally enable this. IIRC there's a bug re
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:28:43 +0100
Toby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another one: who came up with the retarded idea of "Browse for other
> folders"? Just show the damn thing already! Why add 1 useless click
> (on a small widget on top of that) to 90% of file dialog usage?
I also have serious pro
Użytkownik Clemens Eisserer napisał:
Is anyone else equally frustrated?
Me too, I simply can't understand who came how in the idea to design
such a fileopen dialog.
All file-dialogs follow almost the same style, just GTK does its own
thing and in my opinion its design has no benefits but just
> > Is anyone else equally frustrated?
Me too, I simply can't understand who came how in the idea to design
such a fileopen dialog.
All file-dialogs follow almost the same style, just GTK does its own
thing and in my opinion its design has no benefits but just causes
frustration (at least this is
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 04:55:18PM +1100, Peter Eckersley wrote:
>
> Is anyone else equally frustrated?
Absolutely. Despite of the various attempts to make it suck
less with keyboard, it still sucks.
However, the widgets are quite different so to make them
switchable at toolkit level would be q
I'd like to join the ranks of those who are frustrated by GTK2's file
dialog. Here are a few (somewhat arbitrary) suggestions to improve it
without rewriting it from scratch.
Typing a few letters now starts a quick-search for filenames. First
suggestion: pressing Tab should 'filter' the files di
On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:55:18 +1100, Peter Eckersley wrote:
> Is anyone else equally frustrated?
Many of us - the new open dialog caused me to start using Windows Exploder
again when I want to open files in GIMP, since it's just faster (and I know
of ^L dialog).
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Hi...
this is just an observation as a user (it's been a long time since I did
any coding with gtk), but I've found the usability of gtk applications
has decreased markedly since they started using the gtk2 file open
dialog.
Although it now supports some limited matching and completion, it's a
fa
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