This is true. In all helmet law states, DOT approval is required for sale. The only non-DOT helmets are cheapies, usually bought by people trying to skirt the law who have heads that aren't worth protecting anyway. DOT requirements are very minimal. Snell standards are pretty tough. There are significant difference between the German TUF standards and Snell and I'd probably feel okay with a TUF approval even if it didn't meet Snell. This is most commonly the case in helmets such as BMW's System helmets (not sold in the U.S. thanks to our legal system) with an opening front. Snell approves none of those helmets - I had a long discussion once with the tech guy at Shoei as to why - but many are good helmets. In essence, DOT approval doesn't offer a lot. Snell is mostly the only game in town when it comes to actual testing. When you find helmets that meet the European standards, they are probably plenty good. And the difference between a helmet and no helmet is the only one that has been statistically proven to be most effective. (Just because proof isn't documented doesn't mean there are no differences. It just gives up the opportunity to continue this discussion forever. Fun, huh?) -Jay In a message dated 11/2/00 11:08:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Is there such a thing as a Snell approved helmet that isn't DOT approved? I don't think so; I don't think the helmet can be sold as a motorcycle helmet if it isn't DOT approved. >> Orange County, California Park Ranger R-115 1993-1998