I found myself wishing for the clean mounting of the Krausers with the styling of the GIVI's too--I just didn't see any of the style components of the bike in the shape of the Krausers. Then I got so used to the bags I now can't go across the street without them so I never see the mounts except for maintenence time. My only current dream is for integrated bags that would provide the same function but reduce the overall width. I guess you can get used to anything--I've only caught two car mirrors with the GIVI's when I was splitting lanes (on a closed course with a non-professional driver ;>)!!!!) and those guys were deliberately trying to edging me out... SNIP > \|/ \|/ Greg Christopher snip > > The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working.