Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-17 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Mark H Weaver writes: > Andy Wingo writes: >> Before the RMS/GNU/FSF conversation started, Mark Weaver left Guile, for >> essentially unrelated reasons. He threatened to leave because he wished >> to be consulted before I landed mixed definitions and expressions and >> shipped them in the 2.9.4

Re: Stepping back up as a co-maintainer

2019-10-17 Thread zx spectrumgomas
I'm a simple Guile user and I hope I'm wrong, but I think Mark H weaver are saying half-thruth here https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2019-10/msg00021.html because he has a very close friendship witch Richard Stallmam: "I've known RMS for a long time. For a few years, I spent most of m

Re: Stepping back up as a co-maintainer

2019-10-17 Thread Mikael Djurfeldt
I think we should trust what Mark says and not second guess him. Helping or being friend with someone is not among the worst crimes on my list. Den tors 17 okt. 2019 11:28zx spectrumgomas skrev: > I'm a simple Guile user and I hope I'm wrong, but I think Mark H weaver are > saying half-thruth h

Re: Stepping back up as a co-maintainer

2019-10-17 Thread tomas
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 12:24:03PM +0200, Mikael Djurfeldt wrote: > I think we should trust what Mark says and not second guess him. Definitely. I think this should count for *all*. Second-guessing anyone in this difficult situation can only add more difficulties on top. I think each of us should

Re: Stepping back up as a co-maintainer

2019-10-17 Thread zx spectrumgomas
Let's hope so. But in Spain we have a proverb: "Blanco y en botella, leche". "White and bottle -> milk". Let's hope it doesn't come true. On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 12:24 PM Mikael Djurfeldt wrote: > I think we should trust what Mark says and not second guess him. > > Helping or being friend with s

Re: Stepping back up as a co-maintainer

2019-10-17 Thread Neil Jerram
I'm afraid arguing by analogy or proverb rarely helps, because the analogy is usually inaccurate in some way. Also, what about Horchata? :-) On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 11:53, zx spectrumgomas wrote: > Let's hope so. But in Spain we have a proverb: "Blanco y en botella, > leche". "White and bottle -

Re: Stepping back up as a co-maintainer

2019-10-17 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 12:33:33 +0200 > From: > Cc: zx spectrumgomas , guile-user > , > guile-devel > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 12:24:03PM +0200, Mikael Djurfeldt wrote: > > I think we should trust what Mark says and not second guess him. > > Definitely. I think this should count for *al

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-17 Thread Mark H Weaver
Hello all, I just realized that I made a mistake, and my mistake has caused people to strongly condemn RMS for something that he did not actually do. RMS has not yet appointed me as a co-maintainer. To my knowledge, the only thing he has done so far is to *ask* me if I wanted to be appointed co-

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-17 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > They published their "Joint Statement" on gnu.org because they know they > have

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-17 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Please don't ask for a fork in Guix. Forking is not a desirable outcome. -- Dr Ric

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-17 Thread Mikhail Kryshen
Andy, If you've long had issues with RMS, then why do you still want to be with GNU? You don't have to participate in GNU to be part of the free software movement. Is it that you see GNU as an important platform for your political activism? Is it about donations? Identity? Pride? What is it s

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-17 Thread Nala Ginrut
hi Andy, I think Mark has explained something, I hope you can rethink about it calmly. It seems a misunderstanding. A decade ago I came to Guile community, and I've learned many things from the people here. Andy, Mark, and Ludo are the people I really respect. However, someday if they start to bla