On 16/07/2025 8:29, Linus Björnstam wrote:
Change that (begin ...) to a (let () ...) and guile will do what you want.
It won't:
Is there any way to achieve this
functionality _without modifying the scripts_?
(emphasis added)
;do' by 'new-do' in some way (it is convenient to import
the old 'do' under a different name). Or take the old definition of
'do', copy it, and insert a surrounding 'let' in the right lace.
Same applies to many other situations.
(Also, that 'begin' serves no purpose there.)
Best regards,
Maxime Devos
Do you have an example?
Instead of redefining 'define', it may be possible to redefine the
surrounding syntax thing.
On 26/05/2025 11:54, Mikael Djurfeldt wrote:
Hi Maxime and Panicz,
Maxime: I guess you meant rather than , which is not
applicable.
No, I meant .
That I was wrong about it, does not undo what was meant.
It's possible to mean an untrue statement.
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Maxime Devos
GOOPS methods are instances of , and methods are applicable, so yes.
For , this is done with (undocumented) applicable structs (see:
GOOPs implementation).
But, no high-level GOOPs support is available for repeating the same for
other classes.
Spacing appears to have been messed up, so here's the same thing with
extra newlines
On 13/04/2025 18:55, Maxime Devos via General Guile related discussions
wrote:
On 11/04/2025 15:49, Olivier Dion wrote:
My goal here is that I have GOOPS object. The object is used to produce
a pure r
On 13/04/2025 19:47, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Sun, Apr 13, 2025 at 07:03:56PM +0200, Maxime Devos wrote:
[...]
Typical hashing of the non-cryptographic kind aren't designed to
virtually eliminate hash collisions [...]
Nit: given a "reasonable" hash, the collision probab
ash table, so you could make a bucket list (so you would need to
also save the unhashed _keys_ instead of only their hash - hashes then
aren't to identify things on their own, but rather to speed things up a
lot).
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On 2/03/2025 16:18, Tomas Volf wrote:
Every list can be considered a pair, right?
Except the empty list (empty lists if you also count #nil), assuming
this is like Scheme - the empty list isn't a pair.
Haven't been read the context.
it isn't done from
signal handlers.
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, since &system-error
might be added later.
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cost of that.
(**) thinking about it, I'd expect delimited continuations to do similar
things already - I mean, delimited continuations seem to work nicely for
Guile-Fibers. Maybe you could just capture a continuation in the
exception handler, and afterwards inspect the continuation? Maybe even
_today_? (***)
(***) If it's sufficiently efficient, perhaps Guile could automatically
record the stack in the condition (with some option to enable/disable
this, for GC reasons).
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Unquote-splicing (,@) is your friend:
`(foo ,@(if p? '(a (b) c) '()) d)
When p? -> (foo a (b) c d).
When (not p?) -> (foo d).
Now do this for SXML …
nk there are some
others as well.
I guess I’ll wait for some other replies.
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Maxime Devos
leaving”, but not an actual _list_ of
_current_ maintainers.
Where can I find such a list (or, from recollection, who are the maintainers)?
(Some discussion on where to put such a list would perhaps be good as well, but
right now it’s a list I need.)
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Maxime Devos
could just be thunks. (If you do this, and also use the hello-world form in the
same module as where it is defined (not just mentioned somewhere in another
macro, but rather when the non-define-syntax forms are expanded, then need the
transformer of the hello-world form to run), then make sure to add some
eval-when where appropriate.)
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Maxime Devos
relocation information. As far as I can tell, libgccjit does not seem to
support relocations and doesn’t say anything about whether the results are
position-independent or not (so not suitable fo AOT), though presumably there
are ways around that given the existence of gccemacs.
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t loads (obj/)mod/b.go.
Since this mechanism is used for Guile’s own libraries as well ((system …),
(srfi …), (ice-9 …), …), I would expect this to still work in 3.0.10. If you
have proof of the contrary you should make a bug report about it.
>On Sun, Dec 15, 2024, 01:50 Maxime Devos wrot
s in form of module imports, I’m not too sure about
how loading the initial file (as .scm) works) and it doesn’t need to be a
cache. Yet, simultaneously you say there is no way (without caches), _and_ you
actually are using that way (“-C obj”).
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the most convenient invocation. Of
those two options, (3) has the least re-compilation. By these criteria, (3) is
the best.
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Maxime Devos
-load-path (e.g. if you don’t have the permissions to add
things to the directories of the default path, or if adding to those
directories is the wrong thing to do (both of these are the case in Guix, for
example)).
(All case-dependent)
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Maxime Devos
r) cache directory are problematic.).)
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Maxime Devos
>Did you see my previous mail, where I said pretty much the same as what Tomas
>is writing (except about sorted? instead of sort)?
Nevermind this, my e-mail program had some issues.
Van: to...@tuxteam.de
Verzonden: maandag 9 december 2024 15:11
Aan: Stefan Schmiedl
CC: guile-user@gnu.org
Onderwerp: Re: sorted?
On Mon, Dec 09, 2024 at 01:54:47PM +, Stefan Schmiedl wrote:
> -- Original Message --
> > From to...@tuxteam.de
> To guile-user@gnu.org
> Date 09.12.2024 12
>On Mon, Dec 09, 2024 at 11:37:33AM +, Ricardo G. Herdt wrote:
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> Am 09.12.2024 11:21 schrieb Jeremy Korwin-Zmijowski:
>> > The reference says :
>> >
>> >Scheme Procedure: *sorted?* items less
>> >C Function: *scm_sorted_p* (items, less)
>> >
>> >Return |#t|
y notation for swapping the arguments
(in logic those would be called terms I think) (a < b = b > a).
>From ‘<’, you have ‘=’, by the equivalence mentioned above.
Just because it’s not passed explicitly, doesn’t mean you don’t have it – you
can derive ‘=’ from the axioms and some logic.
Did you see my previous mail, where I said pretty much the same as what Tomas
is writing (except about sorted? instead of sort)?
Best regards,
Maxime Devos
#f
By the second description, sure.
But by the first description, it is fine!
My guess is that it’s intentional, so that you can save one keystroke to write
(sorted? '(1 1) <) instead of (sorted? '(1 2) <=).
Although, the description could use a bit of expansion to make clear what
happens in the case that two elements are equal, and put emphasis on it really
being ‘less’, not ‘less-than-or-equal-to’.
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Maxime Devos
doesn’t.
A variant with untyped keyword arguments:
(define-method (f (a ) (b ))
(pk 'positional))
(define-method (f (#:key foo))
(pk 'optional-keyword foo))
(f #:foo 'bar)
Who should win? Both are a quite specific match.
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Maxime Devos
>Any opinions on what is best: Having a define-method* or having the
>functionality in define-method itself?
You can’t unify define-method with define-method* without making some arbitrary
choices in some special cases (the same applies to define-method* too actually,
and also to define-method
ile for this.
That said, are you sure it’s a separate section you want? Perhaps an entry in
the (ELF) symbol table would do as well (and these are already populated,
though I don’t recall to what extent).
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Maxime Devos
tom extra compilation passes, though.
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Maxime Devos
syscall is a
kernel<->userspace abort-to-prompt, yet typically you don’t want dynamic-wind
to consider those as non-local control flow.
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Maxime Devos
>Unwind-protect and dynamic-wind are not the same thing. See
>http://www.nhplace.com/kent/PFAQ/unwind-protect-vs-continuations-original.html
>
> - Tommi
Err, that web page is simply incorrect on this matter, unless Lisp and Scheme
are assigning different meanings to the same words. (If they
let/ec escape
(bbtree-fold [...] [... when a match is found, use (escape stuff-to-return)]
[...])
'no-match)
Best regards,
Maxime Devos.
more.
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Maxime Devos
ature as an another method
of the generic).
Best regards,
Maxime Devos.
, though I don’t know what this cleaner way is.
You may want to look at the implementation for clarity (and if you find the
answer, an addition to the manual would be appreciated).
Best regards,
Maxime Devos.
(*) I think what it means is that as type you set (list this-field-type
that-field-type
single record and
then returns the Scheme representation (or an end-of-file marker). It can then
be made available to Scheme with scm_c_define (I’m not sure about the name of
the function, but surely there is a C function to define a Scheme ‘variable’
(in this case, constant)) etc.
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Maxime Devos
(identifier? obj2) ;(syntax? obj2)
> (free-identifier=? obj1 obj2)))
So, instead of checking identifiers with free-identifier=?, instead try
‘syntax->datum’ to extract the name (with lexical information removed) + ‘eq?’
(to compare two symbols).
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Maxime Devos
e])
y)
which would silently do the wrong thing (unless you enable warnings for
shadowing, but you can do neat things with shadowing – you can write pure code
in a somewhat imperative style (*)).
Best regards,
Maxime Devos
(*) See, e.g.,
https://git.gnunet.org/gnunet-scheme.git/tree/gnu/gnunet/c
und:
See eval-when. It’s mentioned somewhere in the documentation of macros, perhaps
close to eval-when.
Best regards,
Maxime DEvos
The code you posted is too long – if you want me to have a look at it, minimize
it first.
Best regards,
Maxime Devos
pretty much the same as their quote/quasiquote/...
counterparts.
Hygiene is usually pretty simple – just don’t do sexp things (say, quasiquote),
do syntax things (quasisyntax) instead, then typically things will go well.
Best regards,
Maxime Devos.
lltalk,
;; and replace ‘define’ by what would be the equivalent in Smalltalk
(define (st-vector-ref v n)
;; st-vector-like-actual-vector: field getter
;; vector-ref: standard Scheme procedure
(vector-ref (st-vector-like-actual-vector v) n))
and the like.
Best regards,
Maxime Devos.
LICENSE says ‘Copyright (c) 2016’, but some files date from 2024. It’s a bit
inconsistent … Do you mean that changes >2016 are public domain, or not covered
by BSD license, or the inconsistency is an oversight?
does a scm_async_tick, so that shouldn’t matter?)
• Better put a (call-with-blocked-asyncs ...) or whatever is the exact name
around all the I/O unless you’re sure that the port I/O procedures can deal
fine with the re-entrancy.
I don’t expect any of these to solve the problem (except perhaps 3) but it’s
something you could investigate.
Best regards,
Maxime Devos.
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From: Vijay Marupudi
Sent: Saturday, 13 April 2024 22:24
To: Olivier Dion; guile-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Question about handling SIGINT properly in Guile
> So there is two things with signals. First, when a process get a signal
> queued, the OS only deliver the si
Yes, with ‘library’ or ‘define-library’ forms.
(see https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/R6RS-Libraries.html)
(library (insert name here)
(export [insert exports here])
(import
(guile) ; standard imports
(rename (ice-9 popen) (open-pipe pipe-open)))
[insert definitio
this
(set x to abracadabra, t to kt, f to kf).
I think the first two cases are superfluous, but perhaps there is a performance
advantage.
(I’m wondering if this still works in the case (symbol? ...), because ... is
special in syntax-rules)
Best regards,
Maxime Devos.
y, it wouldn't expect much trouble.
Best regards,
Maxime Devos.
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ter that the programmer has to
choose what, in their situation, are the appropriate semantics.
If/when someone desired shorter names, there could be a
(jit-define-alias * */wrap-around) or something like that for that?
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merely adding the _option_ to copy-on-write would be uncontroversial, I
think.
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hing; for short-term ‘trying things out’,
doing set! is much more practical.)
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Op 11-10-2023 om 01:04 schreef Keith Wright:
Maxime Devos writes:
Op 04-10-2023 om 18:14 schreef Keith Wright:
From: Zelphir Kaltstahl
my goal is normal distributed floats (leaving aside the finite
nature of the computer and floats).
The following is either provably correct up to
approximate (though methods definitely exists -- it's the theory of the
approximation method that is difficult, not the implementation;
transcribing some implementation from Fortran to Scheme is tedious but
straightward).
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iguously mean ‘appending’ (*) instead of
‘addition’, and as an additional benefit, some other languages (^) use
'++' to mean appending as well.
(*) string-append, append, vector-append, ...
(^) for example, Coq and Haskell
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D
loats is likely not
what you are interested in.
(I probably didn't have to go in so much detail but whatever ...)
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Op 27-09-2023 om 21:29 schreef Christine Lemmer-Webber:
Wisp
I'd like to actually see Guile integrate Wisp as a core language and
think about what it would be like to support it as a recommended
alternate way of writing programs. I think with the new block-level
highlighting that Arne ha
s a good tool for me
(no Emacs+Geiser isn't it, but the why appears to be off-topic for this
thread).
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Op 22-08-2023 om 21:03 schreef Olivier Dion:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023, Christopher Baines wrote:
When looking at strace for various Guile things, I'm seeing a lot of
readlink system calls for directories in the load path, e.g.
Is this not more a side effect of using Guix (the GNU store) than Gui
Op 20-08-2023 om 15:03 schreef Artyom V. Poptsov:
Hello Guilers,
I'm pleased to announce Guile-PNG 0.7.1, Portable Network Graphics
(PNG)[1] library for GNU Guile, implemented in pure scheme:
https://github.com/artyom-poptsov/guile-png/releases/tag/v0.7.1
This release fixes some bugs, expa
> [...]
For reloadable modules, references to ‘top-level’ variables need to be
done via a 'module-ref' equivalent instead of a direct (lexical)
reference, but I think the compiler or expander could handle that
without too much trouble (it does so already I think).
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Op 09-08-2023 om 01:00 schreef Jean Abou Samra:
Le mardi 08 août 2023 à 21:38 +0200, Maxime Devos a écrit :
As such, this not working on the top-level seems a bug to me -- after
all, a module definition is conceptually just a big let:
(if applicable)
(let ()
(define
Op 03-08-2023 om 11:58 schreef Jean Abou Samra:
overload.scm must be before some definitions of scheme-infix.scm even
if it is not used here, it is strange, i do not understand all but it
compiles now
A minimal reproducer for your problem is
(define (foo)
(bar 'quux))
(define-syntax-rule
happened yet -- it's
still named guile-devel (i.e., __development__) -- it needs a name
change, or some documentation in the manual.
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s ("Pre-boot error; key: ", port);
scm_write (key, port);
scm_puts (", args: ", port);
scm_write (args, port);
. I don't know if scm_backtrace is functional in pre-boot, though.
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On 16-02-2023 12:18, Maxime Devos wrote:
On 16-02-2023 00:48, Damien Mattei wrote:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 516629 12 jan 08:12 psyntax-pp.go
> [...]
* is /usr/local/lib/guile/3.0/ccache/ice-9/psyntax.go newer than
/usr/local/share/guile/3.0/ice-9/psyntax.scm go
On 15-02-2023 03:14, Robby Zambito wrote:
Hello,
For some reason I am having trouble importing the (ice-9 psyntax)
module. [...]
This is an undocumented module; you aren't supposed to import it
directly. In fact, looking at the first few lines of ice-9/psyntax.scm,
ice-9/psyntax.scm is pa
On 16-02-2023 00:48, Damien Mattei wrote:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 516629 12 jan 08:12 psyntax-pp.go
> [...]
* is /usr/local/lib/guile/3.0/ccache/ice-9/psyntax.go newer than
/usr/local/share/guile/3.0/ice-9/psyntax.scm going by mtime?
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 18822
On 15-02-2023 07:43, Damien Mattei wrote:
same problem:
(base) mattei@MacBook-Pro-Touch-Bar library-FunctProg % guile
GNU Guile 3.0.8.99-f3ea8
Copyright (C) 1995-2022 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
Guile comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `,show w'.
This program is free softw
On 12-02-2023 19:46, wolf wrote:
Also, I could not help to notice that when I use R6RS records it does work
regardless of the order:
(use-modules (rnrs records syntactic))
(define (x y)
(display (q-foo y))
(newline))
(define-record-type q (fields foo))
On 13-02-2023 09:05, Sascha Ziemann wrote:
You also can not ask Scheme about macros, because macros are not
first-class-citizens.
>
>
> This might be interesting:
>
https://matt.might.net/articles/metacircular-evaluation-and-first-class-run-time-macros/
You actually can ask (Guile)Scheme ab
On 09-02-2023 11:43, Basile Starynkevitch wrote:
/usr/bin/ld: /tmp/cc51HoPM.o: in function `do_evaluate_guile(char const*)':
/home/basile/misc-basile/clever-framac.cc:501: undefined reference to
`scm_init_eval'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
scm_init_eval is an internal thing:
for (i=start; i<=stop; i++) { /* i is private by default */
scm_init_guile();
scm_call_1( func , scm_from_int(i) );
IIUC, you are calling scm_init_guile once per index, whereas calling it
once per thread would suffice. For better performance, I propose doing
it once per thread.
On 25-11-2022 01:03, Zelphir Kaltstahl wrote:
ice-9/boot-9.scm:1685:16: In procedure raise-exception:
ERROR:
1. &contract-violated
2. &message: "contract violated"
3. &origin: bla
4. &irritants: (> foo 10)
5. &irritants: (> 10 10)
I don't understand this -- (> 10 10) is always
no it returns something based on address:
scheme@(guile-user)> (current-thread)
$1 = #
the good thing it is that it is different for each address, the bad is that i
do not know how to extract it from the result and anyway i need a number :
0,1,2,3... ordered and being a partition to make schedu
On 06-01-2023 11:20, Damien Mattei wrote:
Hi,
is fibers having a way to know the thread number the code is running?
i, mean the equivalent of omp_get_thread_num(); in openMP.
There's (current-thread), but that's just Guile; it's not
Fibers-specific. It's also not a number. I don't know if
On 03-01-2023 23:38, Damien Mattei wrote:
no i did not test fibers ,just look at it, but perhaps it is necessary
for parallel ? [...]
IIUC, it's a bug report for Guile Parallel then?
i saw the configure file (of parallel) claim about fibers? i will download
fibers and test on Mac again
On 03-01-2023 11:57, Damien Mattei wrote:
on Mac os i have (only) one error:
In procedure dlsym: Error resolving "timerfd_create":
"dlsym(RTLD_DEFAULT, timerfd_create): symbol not found"
Is this a bug report for Guile-Fibers? If so, could you provide basic
information like which commit you
On 02-01-2023 17:13, Greg Troxel wrote:
O
Olivier Dion via General Guile related discussions
writes:
I haven't use fibers a lot, but I think that if you ever need to handle
asynchronous I/O, for now you should stick with fibers. Also, fibers
was written by peoples that have a way better und
On 18-11-2022 17:54, Matt Wette wrote:
cm-buf is a bytevector of control messages (`man cmsg`). To deal
with control messages I have generated these procedures:
(cmsg-list->bytevector cmsg-list) => bytevector
(bytevector->cmsg-list bytevector) => cmsg-list
I have previously written an
On 19-10-2022 22:32, Vivien Kraus wrote:
Dear guile users,
The manual, section 6.8.8, presents the eval-when form with an example:
> [...]
If so, this is not exactly what I am looking for. I am looking for a
way to run the (date) form during the compilation phase, and save the
date to the
On 19-10-2022 10:42, Paul Jarc wrote:
Maxime Devos wrote:
For an example in the wild, see
e.g.
<https://git.gnunet.org/gnunet-scheme.git/tree/gnu/gnunet/message/protocols.scm>.
Thanks (to Jean as well) for all the suggestions. Can you point me to
an example of where include/sexp i
On 16-10-2022 16:07, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Is there some way to make this work? In my real code,
the expression is read from a file, where it might be a macro
definition or anything else, and it's evaluated in a different module
from the current one.
You cannot byte-compile code in advan
On 16-10-2022 11:39, Paul Jarc wrote:
Hi. I'm updating some old code to work with newer versions of Guile.
This example used to work with 1.8, but gives an error with 2.2 and
later:
(begin
(eval '(define-syntax-rule (rule x) x) (current-module))
(display (rule "ok\n")))
ERROR: Wrong ty
On 16-10-2022 11:39, Paul Jarc wrote:
Hi. I'm updating some old code to work with newer versions of Guile.
This example used to work with 1.8, but gives an error with 2.2 and
later:
(begin
(eval '(define-syntax-rule (rule x) x) (current-module))
(display (rule "ok\n")))
ERROR: Wrong type
> [...]
Applied the two patches. Now in master.
Greetings,
Maxime.
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On 12-10-2022 12:30, Mortimer Cladwell wrote:
Hi,
Has anyone successfully submitted a bearer token to Twitter v2 api using
http-request? What syntax did you use? Without success I have tried many
permutations/splellings/capitalizations of:
Note that Guile sometimes sends uncapitalised headers
demonstrate the 'map-par slower than map') and
to change it to standard-ish Scheme instead of your Scheme+ variant.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 8:45 PM Maxime Devos <mailto:maximede...@telenet.be>> wrote:
[rest of copied previous message, without any comments]
This is top
On 12-10-2022 19:19, Damien Mattei wrote:
Hello,
all is in the title, i test on a approximately 3 element list , i got
9s with map and 3min 30s with par-map on exactly the same piece of code!?
> [...]
>
translated from Scheme+ to Scheme:
(define unified-minterms-set-1 (map function-unify-m
On 08-10-2022 12:29, Dmitry Polyakov wrote:
Hello!
Can you recommend any library for working with graphs (I did not find it
in srfi and mailing list). Almost what I need to have in graphviz
bindings, but there are no predicate functions and the like.
SRFI-234 is for linearizing a direct acy
I noticed python-on-guile fails to compile in Guix, so I tried updating
it, but it still fails (somehow 'type' is #false?):
Type is defined on line
https://gitlab.com/python-on-guile/python-on-guile/-/blob/master/modules/oop/pf-objects.scm#L1530
as #f but set to something later in
https://git
On 22-09-2022 01:17, sidhu1f wrote:
You are both correct.
My motivation was to use the assert macro from guile-libs
(www.nongnu.org/guile-lib/doc/ref/debugging.assert/).
Do you know that Guile already has an 'assert 'macro (see: (guile)rnrs
base)? It is less capable though (no ?r-exp), so
On 13-09-2022 16:25, Damien Mattei wrote:
do you have any examples of use? that illustrate the features ,just with
the code it is not easy.
"git grep -F let^" inside the repo. More specifically, parse-expandable
from (gnu gnunet config parser), though there are other uses too.
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On 12-09-2022 21:19, Linus Björnstam wrote:
If you want a bit more advanced looping you could have a look at my goof-loop:
https://git.sr.ht/~bjoli/goof-loop
It currently does not support a break or continue clause, but adding one should
not really be a problem.
A good thing is that it does
Version 0.3 of Scheme-GNUnet has been released. The main change since
the 0.2 release, is some CADET support. There are also various small
fixes and improvements. If you have any questions, please reply to
guile-user@gnu.org.
* What is Scheme-GNUnet?
Scheme-GNUnet is a WIP (Guile) Scheme port
On 31-08-2022 09:01, Damien Mattei wrote:
I always try to keep compatibility with RnRS and in fact except cond
none of when, unless, cond, case, while, and do are in standart RnRS schem
'when', 'unless' and 'do' are actually RnRS, see (rnrs control).
'case' is also RnRS, see (rnrs base).
How
On 30-08-2022 03:03, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Retrying, it got all mangled up by automatic wrapping …
It's mangled over here, perhaps you could sent it as an attachment?
Greetings,
Maxime
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