Re: Marketing Guile (was Re: GNU Guile community in google+)

Hi, "hellekin (GNU Consensus)" skribis: > GNU. I'm not aware of any such > documentation that clarifies the specificities of the GNU project > regarding program structure; I know there is documentation scattered > around many manuals, but not a single, quite short introduction that > would give

Marketing Guile (was Re: GNU Guile community in google+)

On 01/13/2013 08:33 AM, Andy Wingo wrote: > > Is there something that we need to build into gnu.org somehow? > *** I think Guile's role in the GNU operating system is understated. It would be nice to provide a somewhat short page that describes, if possible visually, where Guile sits in the GNU O

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

My case may be a good example. From the nearly 30 years old I have moved in Gnome circles (GNU in this environment is barely mentioned, or it is metioned that way http://soyeahdjango.com/post/40190256460/me-when-someone-uses-flask ) , I went to a couple of conferences of Stallman and I ate with him

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Nikita Karetnikov wrote: > 1. Is it OK to use non-free and centralized services? In my opinion yes because you are right morally, but you can't make a cake without breaking eggs: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-user/2012-12/msg00071.html > I'm not going

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

Hi, This thread misses the point. Because there are two separate issues: 1. Is it OK to use non-free and centralized services? I'm not going to explain why it's not OK in detail. But I'd like to point out that if you use such a service, you encourage others to do the same. Here is an example:

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Andy Wingo wrote: > Hi, > > I'm catching up with mail and thought you might be interested in my > thoughts. They're just my thoughts, the thoughts of one Guile hacker, > and I don't represent Guile with them -- so please do make up your own > minds. > > I basical

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Andy Wingo wrote: > Hi, > > I'm catching up with mail and thought you might be interested in my > thoughts. They're just my thoughts, the thoughts of one Guile hacker, > and I don't represent Guile with them -- so please do make up your own > minds. > > I basical

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

Hi, I'm catching up with mail and thought you might be interested in my thoughts. They're just my thoughts, the thoughts of one Guile hacker, and I don't represent Guile with them -- so please do make up your own minds. I basically agree with Ludo and Mark that proprietary, centralized social ne

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: > Two birds w/ one stone In Spanish is the same "Matar dos pájaros de un tiro" . Probably that phrase is universal :D. There isn't problem because knowledge of noobs don't worth even a slingshot. We are like candy birds: http://leenzuydgee

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

() zx spectrumgomas () Mon, 24 Dec 2012 21:49:23 +0100 In any case, I don't think I push against the tide. And yet, you say: In summary, the GNU image in social networks is very bad, and it nowadays can not be allowed. ... which has the same sound, to my ears. What people think and

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: > () zx spectrumgomas > () Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:08:43 +0100 > >Here a member of the FSF and he seems that uses google+, [...] > > Have you considered contacting Gregory Benison to get an account on: >

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

() zx spectrumgomas () Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:08:43 +0100 Here a member of the FSF and he seems that uses google+, [...] Have you considered contacting Gregory Benison to get an account on: (a Guile-Scheme-driven web log)?

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

Here a member of the FSF and he seems that uses google+, indeed quite efficiently: https://twitter.com/spectrumgomas/status/283239470537510913/photo/1 GNU Hurd progresses.

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Mike Gran wrote: >> From: Ludovic Courtès >> Not sure if that’s what you mean here, but there are blog aggregators >> that may be relevant to Guilers, such as: >> >> http://planet.gnu.org/ >> http://scheme.dk/planet/ > > My uninteresting ramblings show up on p

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

> From: Ludovic Courtès > Not sure if that’s what you mean here, but there are blog aggregators > that may be relevant to Guilers, such as: > >   http://planet.gnu.org/ >   http://scheme.dk/planet/ My uninteresting ramblings show up on planet.gnu.org sometimes.  But I don't write much about Guil

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

Sorry, I put the previous answer in half of the thread. A mistake. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, hellekin wrote: > On 12/19/2012 08:40 AM, zx spectrumgomas wrote: >> According to I've been reading Diaspora unfortunately does not have >> the Communities feature. >> > *** Can you describe tha

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On 12/19/2012 08:40 AM, zx spectrumgomas wrote: > According to I've been reading Diaspora unfortunately does not have > the Communities feature. > *** Can you describe that functionality? > I don't think anyone can deny that Diaspora shares the same philosophy as GNU > *** I didn't see any D* dev

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:36 AM, David Thompson wrote: > On 12/16/2012 07:23 PM, zx spectrumgomas wrote: >> >> I've created GNU Guile in google+ . Join to the community! >> https://plus.google.com/communities/109342732294319716184?hl=es >> > Why not make a Guile subreddit on reddit.com? Reddit is

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

According to I've been reading Diaspora unfortunately does not have the Communities feature. Also there is less people than identi.ca . But it has also become clear that Diaspora (and I don't think anyone can deny that Diaspora shares the same philosophy as GNU) uses efficiently social networks: h

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On 12/16/2012 07:23 PM, zx spectrumgomas wrote: I've created GNU Guile in google+ . Join to the community! https://plus.google.com/communities/109342732294319716184?hl=es Why not make a Guile subreddit on reddit.com? Reddit is a *very* popular site and (as far as I know) doesn't have the issues

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Noah Lavine wrote: > Hello, > > I don't entirely understand what everyone here wants, but there are reasons > besides company control to avoid proprietary networking sites like Google+. > Since it will never be the case that all Guilers have an account on Google+ >

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:59 PM, hellekin wrote: > On 12/18/2012 10:08 AM, zx spectrumgomas wrote: >> >> >> Facebook, Google+, Twitter. >> >> I think Guilers are wrong not managing an account like that. >> >> With google+'s account is different. >> > *** No it's not. Anyone can create an account a

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

Hello, I don't entirely understand what everyone here wants, but there are reasons besides company control to avoid proprietary networking sites like Google+. Since it will never be the case that all Guilers have an account on Google+ (or Facebook, or whatever else), a group there could only ever

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

zx spectrumgomas writes: > Honestly, if you do not see that social networks are essential to the > success of a project nowadays I'm sure you have more than 30 years. I > have 40 and I have not used social networking until + / - 2 years, but > it's amazing the amount of information/opinion is movi

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On 12/18/2012 10:08 AM, zx spectrumgomas wrote: > > > Facebook, Google+, Twitter. > > I think Guilers are wrong not managing an account like that. > > With google+'s account is different. > *** No it's not. Anyone can create an account anywhere, and then grant it to some authority figure, or s

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:30 PM, hellekin wrote: > If you're not aware of that, some people were quite pissed to discover > that their "business handle" was mixed with their "personal handle" when > that privacy policy entered in effect. Centralized social network > services have an increasing t

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On 12/18/2012 07:35 AM, zx spectrumgomas wrote: > > I did not say that Guile is against social-networks. I say that Guile > isn't using social networks and it is a mistake. And that's a fact. > *** Ludovic said it well. Let me reiterate: "Some people conflate social networks, which are the aggreg

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Hi, > > zx spectrumgomas skribis: > >> the phrase "I urge you to come up with a solution that is not a >> threat to the privacy, freedom, and autonomy of our users." looks very >> good. The problem is that the real world is full of newbie

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Nala Ginrut wrote: > To my belief, confess sins then reform at once, which is the only way to > make people stay acquitted. In Spain as good Catholics you can confess, reoffend and turn to confess. No problem. If it finally makes gnu-rails or Guile Planet, penanc

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

> The English saying uses "cake" instead of "tortilla". Thaanks :D > Personally, I don't see why a project like Guile needs a presence on any > social > network. After-all, Guile is a technical project, not a social one. On the > other hand, it is part of GNU, a project which aims to address a

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Tue, 2012-12-18 at 09:39 +0100, zx spectrumgomas wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > > Hi, > > > > As others wrote, please don’t advertise this service here. This one and > > similar services are a threat to privacy and freedom of speech, and in > > opposition w

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

Hi, zx spectrumgomas skribis: > the phrase "I urge you to come up with a solution that is not a > threat to the privacy, freedom, and autonomy of our users." looks very > good. The problem is that the real world is full of newbies and they > don't know come up with these solutions (Me here). I’

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 09:39:31AM +0100, zx spectrumgomas wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Ludovic Court?s wrote: > Hi, > > As others wrote, please don?t advertise this service here. This one and > similar services are a threat to privacy and freedom of speech, a

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Hi, > > As others wrote, please don’t advertise this service here. This one and > similar services are a threat to privacy and freedom of speech, and in > opposition with what we stand for. > > As you may already know, there are other too

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

>From hellekin: > *** Good points. As a newbie, I would appreciate such entry-level > pointers and help. LibrePlanet, however, is not a "planet" (blog > aggregation), it is a wiki: you could start a page at > http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:GNU_Guile and publish your notes and > tutorials there I

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

zx spectrumgomas skribis: > The problem is that it is ONLY a forum. It isn't a > Planet. Not sure if that’s what you mean here, but there are blog aggregators that may be relevant to Guilers, such as: http://planet.gnu.org/ http://scheme.dk/planet/ Ludo’.

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

Hi, As others wrote, please don’t advertise this service here. This one and similar services are a threat to privacy and freedom of speech, and in opposition with what we stand for. As you may already know, there are other tools that some of us regularly use: one is this mailing list, another on

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On 12/17/2012 06:24 PM, zx spectrumgomas wrote: > > I think that everyone has understand me before. In fact, Libre Planet > has been suggested. (I do not know create a Libre Planet). > > What do the newbies in the forum? Do we say that "I has done 2.4 SICP > exercise"? People will say, rightly, i

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Mark H Weaver wrote: > zx spectrumgomas writes: > >>> *** I just subscribed to this list a couple of days ago, with the hope I >>> can find some time to learn Guile. I find this initiative interestingly >>> clueless. >> >> I've been following the list of guile abo

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

zx spectrumgomas writes: >> *** I just subscribed to this list a couple of days ago, with the hope I >> can find some time to learn Guile. I find this initiative interestingly >> clueless. > > I've been following the list of guile about a year. If you had > followed it I assure you that you woul

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Mark H Weaver wrote: >> Andy Wingo sends its comments from identi.ca to twitter because he >> thinks that it may be useful. > > That is not nearly as bad, because the messages he publishes on twitter > are also published on identi.ca. Therefore, users who wish to

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

> *** I just subscribed to this list a couple of days ago, with the hope I > can find some time to learn Guile. I find this initiative interestingly > clueless. I've been following the list of guile about a year. If you had followed it I assure you that you would not see so clueless. (from the vi

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On 12/17/2012 07:54 AM, zx spectrumgomas wrote: > > I am a newbie, but in Google+ I would write SICP's exercises I'm going > to do. Here not just because no one else does that, it doesn't seem > the right place. In my opinion GNU guile should use such accounts for > greater mass of users. > *** I

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

Sorry, google traductor. I'm Spanish and I've opened an account in google+

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

Sorry, I'm not native speaker and I can't understand English videos well. I'm a Spanish and it has opened an account in google+ http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2012/7/31/1343742378641/Skyfall-trailer-pic-7-008.jpg :D

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

Andy Wingo sends its comments from identi.ca to twitter because he thinks that it may be useful. In fact, I follow him there. In my opinion this is something quite similar. I know many people disagree with google+, but for example Gtk+ has just opened and many people have joined. I am a newbie, b

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

I'd encourage everyone to watch this important speech by Eben Moglen: http://archive.org/details/EbenMoglen-WhyFreedomOfThoughtRequiresFreeMediaAndWhyFreeMedia He makes the point far more powerfully that I ever could about what is at stake. Thanks, Mark

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 09:21 +0100, John Darrington wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 03:02:44PM +0800, Nala Ginrut wrote: > On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 01:36 -0500, Mark H Weaver wrote: > > zx spectrumgomas writes: > > > I've created GNU Guile in google+ . Join to the community! > > >

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 03:02:44PM +0800, Nala Ginrut wrote: On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 01:36 -0500, Mark H Weaver wrote: > zx spectrumgomas writes: > > I've created GNU Guile in google+ . Join to the community! > > https://plus.google.com/communities/109342732294319716184?hl=es

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 01:36 -0500, Mark H Weaver wrote: > zx spectrumgomas writes: > > I've created GNU Guile in google+ . Join to the community! > > https://plus.google.com/communities/109342732294319716184?hl=es > > No, please do not join this so-called "community". Google+, like > Facebook, i

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

zx spectrumgomas writes: > I've created GNU Guile in google+ . Join to the community! > https://plus.google.com/communities/109342732294319716184?hl=es No, please do not join this so-called "community". Google+, like Facebook, is a very disturbing attempt by a single corporation to centralize co

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

On Sun, 2012-12-16 at 21:03 -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: > zx spectrumgomas writes: > > > I've created GNU Guile in google+ . Join to the community! > > https://plus.google.com/communities/109342732294319716184?hl=es > > I always find it odd and #disturbing that Free Software communities use > site

Re: GNU Guile community in google+

zx spectrumgomas writes: > I've created GNU Guile in google+ . Join to the community! > https://plus.google.com/communities/109342732294319716184?hl=es I always find it odd and #disturbing that Free Software communities use sites like this, built with non-free software and with at best unclear

GNU Guile community in google+

I've created GNU Guile in google+ . Join to the community! https://plus.google.com/communities/109342732294319716184?hl=es