Re: guix is the guildhall that we always wanted!

2017-03-17 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Andy Wingo writes: > On Thu 16 Mar 2017 20:26, Amirouche Boubekki writes: > >>> So! My proposal for this new "guildhall" would be: >>> >>> 1. a web service >>> >> >> What would be the cli interface associated with that web service? >> Some thing like the following will do: >> >> $ guildh

Re: Introducing ‘guix pack’

2017-03-17 Thread Ludovic Courtès
l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) skribis: > Hello Guix! Hello 2.2 Guilers! > > l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) skribis: > >> I’d like to move support for Docker (currently in ‘guix archive’) to >> this new command because I think it’s more appropriate: ‘guix archive’ >> is supposed to be rather low-

Re: Introducing ‘guix pack’

2017-03-17 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Pjotr Prins skribis: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:28:05PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> As of right now, ‘guix pack’ can create Docker image (‘guix archive’ >> can no longer do that): >> >> guix pack guile-next -S /opt/guile-2.2.0= -f docker > > If this works we should advertise it widely.

Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add obnam.

2017-03-17 Thread Arun Isaac
> I noticed this program and some of the libraries it uses, requires a > package called "CoverageTestRunner" to run unit tests. Currently tests > are simply skipped. > > It would be nice to have that package in Guix too. Tests helps us > discover problems early, such as incompatible versions etc.

Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.

2017-03-17 Thread John Darrington
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 12:21:31PM -0400, Leo Famulari wrote: On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 06:36:20AM +0100, John Darrington wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 08:45:27PM +, ng0 wrote: > > ps Cl??ment: 'them'/'they' are pronouns if you don't know the gender and/or >

Re: grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)

2017-03-17 Thread John Darrington
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 05:13:49PM +0100, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote: No. John, I find you very rude in this thread. Please stop dismissing as ???reproachful, judgemental, censorious, or sanctimonious??? anyone who dares correct your unsolicited incorrections. Yelling ???

Re: guix is the guildhall that we always wanted!

2017-03-17 Thread Pjotr Prins
Hi Andy, It does look a lot like the channels we propose. Another thing to keep in mind is that it is possible to relocate guix binaries into any prefix so you do not actually need root privileges. It is something I am using for testing packages on HPC without root and I am going to make binari

Re: Introducing ‘guix pack’

2017-03-17 Thread Pjotr Prins
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:28:05PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > As of right now, ‘guix pack’ can create Docker image (‘guix archive’ > can no longer do that): > > guix pack guile-next -S /opt/guile-2.2.0= -f docker If this works we should advertise it widely. Pj.

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread Mathieu Lirzin
Hello Ricardo, Ricardo Wurmus writes: > Andy Wingo writes: > > […] > >> I understand you feel this way, however to others the effect is >> important. To trans and non-binary people, being at the receiving end >> of a stream of misgenderings (intentional or not) is a constant >> irritation, rem

Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.

2017-03-17 Thread Leo Famulari
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 06:36:20AM +0100, John Darrington wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 08:45:27PM +, ng0 wrote: > > ps Cl??ment: 'them'/'they' are pronouns if you don't know the gender > and/or > prefered pronoun of a person :) > > > ... according to some. - but most linguist

Re: grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)

2017-03-17 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
No. John, I find you very rude in this thread. Please stop dismissing as ‘reproachful, judgemental, censorious, or sanctimonious’ anyone who dares correct your unsolicited incorrections. Yelling ‘DON'T BRING IT UP’ when they address your behaviour isn't helping your case either. Everyone's allowi

Re: guix is the guildhall that we always wanted!

2017-03-17 Thread Andy Wingo
On Fri 17 Mar 2017 14:54, Christopher Allan Webber writes: > Andy Wingo writes: > >> On Thu 16 Mar 2017 23:01, Mark H Weaver writes: >> >>> If [Guix] starts encouraging a decentralized approach, that would >>> result in strong pressure on us to freeze our API, which includes even >>> such detai

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread John Darrington
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 02:58:43PM +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: Thank you, Andy. I agree with everything you wrote, in particular how this relates to our goal of creating a welcoming environment, which is a main task for maintainers. I am all for creating a welcoming en

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Andy Wingo writes: […] > I understand you feel this way, however to others the effect is > important. To trans and non-binary people, being at the receiving end > of a stream of misgenderings (intentional or not) is a constant > irritation, reminding them that they are not welcome in that part

Re: guix is the guildhall that we always wanted!

2017-03-17 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:30:57 +0100 > Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, guile-u...@gnu.org > > > Open questions would be, what about other targets like macOS or Windows > > or whatever? There I don't know. I suspect that if Guix becomes > > popular enough, someon

Re: guix is the guildhall that we always wanted!

2017-03-17 Thread Christopher Allan Webber
Andy Wingo writes: > On Thu 16 Mar 2017 23:01, Mark H Weaver writes: > >> If [Guix] starts encouraging a decentralized approach, that would >> result in strong pressure on us to freeze our API, which includes even >> such details as which module each package is exported from. This >> would drast

Re: [PATCH 0/8] WIP: Better support for non-grub bootloaders.

2017-03-17 Thread John Darrington
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 01:43:19PM +0100, Mathieu Othacehe wrote: Hi, > Please let me know if you don???t want to be bothered about this. Problem > is there???s exciting stuff in this patch series and I???d probably have a > few questions for you if you want.

Re: [PATCH 0/8] WIP: Better support for non-grub bootloaders.

2017-03-17 Thread Mathieu Othacehe
Hi, > Please let me know if you don’t want to be bothered about this. Problem > is there’s exciting stuff in this patch series and I’d probably have a > few questions for you if you want. If we get no sign from David, I'd like to start working on this patch serie, starting by rebasing it and ap

Re: guix is the guildhall that we always wanted!

2017-03-17 Thread Andy Wingo
On Fri 17 Mar 2017 12:30, l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes: >> So! My proposal for this new "guildhall" would be: >> >> 1. a web service >> >> 2. on which users registers projects >> >> 3. a project is a name + a git repository with a /package.scm file >> >> 4. the package.sc

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread ng0
John Darrington transcribed 2.2K bytes: > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:57:09AM +0100, Andy Wingo wrote: > Hello John, > > Hello Andy, > > Misgendering a guix contributor is rude. > > If deliberate, I agree that misgendering anyone, guix contributor or not, > would > be rude. So

Re: guix is the guildhall that we always wanted!

2017-03-17 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello! Andy Wingo skribis: > Crucially, this "guix pack" is really an SDK for Guile and Fibers. > Fibers is a library. You can now make an SDK for anything!!! I > mean, I know, that's a lot of exclamation marks, but check it: you can > develop locally, say using > > /opt/guile-fibers

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread Andy Wingo
Hi, I agree that we need to drop this subject. This will be my last mail in this thread as well. On Fri 17 Mar 2017 12:12, John Darrington writes: > Sometime ago, due to a misunderstanding I received a series of emails > addressing me as Frau Darrington. I did not feel offended or insulted >

Re: guix is the guildhall that we always wanted!

2017-03-17 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi, Florian Paul Schmidt skribis: > On 03/16/2017 11:24 PM, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> I think having repos maintained elsewhere is OKish, but it’s true that >> it requires people who maintain those repos to follow closely what’s >> going on in Guix proper because we’re not guaranteeing API stabi

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread John Darrington
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:57:09AM +0100, Andy Wingo wrote: Hello John, Hello Andy, Misgendering a guix contributor is rude. If deliberate, I agree that misgendering anyone, guix contributor or not, would be rude. So I have never done so. On the grand scale of things it

Re: grammar usage

2017-03-17 Thread Andy Wingo
Hello John, Misgendering a guix contributor is rude. On the grand scale of things it is worse than what you perceive to be misuse of language. Continuing to advocate for your idea on what good English is is unwelcome behavior, especially when this advocacy ignores the issue of misgendering. And

Re: grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)

2017-03-17 Thread John Darrington
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:42:10AM +, ng0 wrote: Respecting people is more important than correct grammar. I agree. So please afford me a little respect. My choice of pronoun for myself is they/them. I'm not picking strawman arguments here, all I wanted to express i

Re: grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)

2017-03-17 Thread ng0
John Darrington transcribed 2.9K bytes: > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:08:04AM +, ng0 wrote: > John Darrington transcribed 1.1K bytes: > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 08:45:27PM +, ng0 wrote: > > > > ps Cl??ment: 'them'/'they' are pronouns if you don't know the > gender

Re: grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)

2017-03-17 Thread John Darrington
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:08:04AM +, ng0 wrote: John Darrington transcribed 1.1K bytes: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 08:45:27PM +, ng0 wrote: > > ps Cl??ment: 'them'/'they' are pronouns if you don't know the gender and/or > prefered pronoun of a person :)

grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)

2017-03-17 Thread ng0
John Darrington transcribed 1.1K bytes: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 08:45:27PM +, ng0 wrote: > > ps Cl??ment: 'them'/'they' are pronouns if you don't know the gender > and/or > prefered pronoun of a person :) > > > ... according to some. - but most linguists, and many orators (the

Re: guix is the guildhall that we always wanted!

2017-03-17 Thread Andy Wingo
On Fri 17 Mar 2017 10:01, Florian Paul Schmidt writes: > On 03/16/2017 11:24 PM, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> I think having repos maintained elsewhere is OKish, but it’s true that >> it requires people who maintain those repos to follow closely what’s >> going on in Guix proper because we’re not gu

Re: guix is the guildhall that we always wanted!

2017-03-17 Thread Florian Paul Schmidt
On 03/16/2017 11:24 PM, Ludovic Courtès wrote: I think having repos maintained elsewhere is OKish, but it’s true that it requires people who maintain those repos to follow closely what’s going on in Guix proper because we’re not guaranteeing API stability. Wouldn't taking the functional/reprodu

Re: guix is the guildhall that we always wanted!

2017-03-17 Thread Andy Wingo
On Thu 16 Mar 2017 23:01, Mark H Weaver writes: > If [Guix] starts encouraging a decentralized approach, that would > result in strong pressure on us to freeze our API, which includes even > such details as which module each package is exported from. This > would drastically reduce the freedom G

Re: guix is the guildhall that we always wanted!

2017-03-17 Thread Andy Wingo
On Thu 16 Mar 2017 20:26, Amirouche Boubekki writes: >> So! My proposal for this new "guildhall" would be: >> >> 1. a web service >> > > What would be the cli interface associated with that web service? > Some thing like the following will do: > > $ guildhall register So I think we could

Re: openssh pubkeys as part of system config

2017-03-17 Thread Chris Marusich
ng0 writes: > Hi, > > I will soon start to assemble an GuixSD system image for IN-Berlin > virtual servers. > I know bayfront uses a module which defines lsh pubkeys for user 'root' > (?) and makes them part of the system generation. > > For IN-Berlin (and probably other hosters) it would help if