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Regarding HyperbolaBSD:
We do list non-GNU free distros in
Stefan Huchler wrote:
> If I write a program and it's elisp there is only as far as I know one
> interpreter and all libs I use are also not replacable without rewriting code.
Even if put aside that we have at least two elisp interpreters alive: there is
also GNU Guile; GNU Emacs is actually qu
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> > Sorry Richard, but it is really a vendor lock-in. As you know there is
> > on
systemd binaries are dependent on systemd and replaces programs that
did not have such dependencies. It is creating similar situation as
vendor lock-in is creating.
That is the case with any system, things depend on things -- what is
important is not to depend on non-free software.
> If systemD is be hard to replace, that is a kind of lock-in. But it
> isn't _vendor_ lock-in. systemD, like most free software packages,
> is not tied to any particular vendor. Indeed, the usual concept of
> "vendor" for free software is not applicable to free software at all.
I agree completely about Systemd. Corporate interests are too controling over
it.
I don't know how we could remove elogind and eudev and the likes. GNOME doesn't
seem to eager to even consider the forks, let alone an alternative
implementation that Systemd.
Free Software should be community dev
On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 22:41 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
>
> If systemD is be hard to replace, that is a kind of lock-in. But it
> isn't _vendor_ lock-in. systemD, like most free software packages,
> is not tied to any particular vendor. Indeed, the usual concept of
> "vendor" for free softwa
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If systemD is be hard to replace, that is a kind of lock-in. But it
isn't _vendor_ l
Hi,
isn't that what basically every Developer does? If I write a program and
it's elisp there is only as far as I know one interpreter and all libs I
use are also not replacable without rewriting code.
So is all my programmes I ever wrote also not Free software because it's
not based on some very
On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 18:52 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:13 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > Perhaps we should divide free software into two groups: 1) Really
> > > free software where Freedom 1 applies and 2) not
On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 21:32 +0300, Alexander Vdolainen wrote:
> > For example, no aspect of either GNOME or systemd are proprietary,
> > using the common meaning of the term. Also, "lock-in" usually refers
> > to software that prevents users from switching to an alternative; GNOME
> > and systemd
But that is achieved with forks of systemd tools and messing with the source
code.
How does that make GNOME independent from Systemd?
Fannys
Oct 14, 2019, 20:59 by jgibbons2...@gmail.com:
> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 21:32 +0300, Alexander Vdolainen wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 10/14/19 9:16 PM, Paul Sm
On 10/14/19 10:11 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 21:32 +0300, Alexander Vdolainen wrote:
>>> For example, no aspect of either GNOME or systemd are proprietary,
>>> using the common meaning of the term. Also, "lock-in" usually refers
>>> to software that prevents users from switchi
Hi again,
On 10/14/19 9:59 PM, Jesse Gibbons wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 21:32 +0300, Alexander Vdolainen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 10/14/19 9:16 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 18:52 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:13 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> On Mo
Systemd is Free Software no doubt but, it is vendor lockin. GNOME too.
They are because:
1) systemd has absorbed many things like udev which are important for all
distros into their own project. Thus you have to "extract" it.
2) I would argue that you can't replace systemd on the fly. On gentoo
On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 21:32 +0300, Alexander Vdolainen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 10/14/19 9:16 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
> > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 18:52 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:13 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
>
On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 18:52 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:13 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > Perhaps we should divide free software into two groups: 1) Really
> > > free software where Freedom 1 applies and 2) not
Hi,
On 10/14/19 9:16 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 18:52 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
>> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:13 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
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> For example, no aspect of either GNOME or systemd are proprietary
On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:13 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > Perhaps we should divide free software into two groups: 1) Really
> > free software where Freedom 1 applies and 2) not-so-free software
> > where Freedom 1 does no longer applies.
> >
On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> Perhaps we should divide free software into two groups: 1) Really
> free software where Freedom 1 applies and 2) not-so-free software
> where Freedom 1 does no longer applies.
>
> Here gnome and systemd are in the second kind.
Both GNOME
On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Sun, 2019-10-13 at 21:44 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
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On Sun, 2019-10-13 at 21:44 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
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>
> Indeed, gnu-system-discuss
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