Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-29 Thread swedebugia
On 2019-03-29 16:16, Andreas Enge wrote: > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 03:02:00PM +0100, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote: >> I still think this change should be reverted > > I also think so. Agreed, I remember having proposed and gotten a 1 name change through the patch-review-process and that worked fin

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-29 Thread Andreas Enge
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 03:02:00PM +0100, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote: > I still think this change should be reverted I also think so. The wording in the naming guidelines is intentionally a bit vague; the intention was definitely to take in general the tarball name, or maybe if this does not fit

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-29 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
Hi Pierre! Let's relax keep it friendly then! :) we are all having an interesting discussion and everyone brought up very good arguments. Oh, I was annoyed by the luser/nerd dichotomy that's rampant everywhere, not just (perhaps least of all) in Guix, not by any person here! :-) I still

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-29 Thread swedebugia
On 2019-03-27 16:00, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > > Pierre wrote: >> Finally, as I mentioned above with the completion systems that we have, >> we've got nothing to lose in having long names. Reading the arguments of Ricardo I changed my mind and support keeping the variable names short. > > swedebu

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-28 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Pierre Neidhardt writes: >> The package name is just an identifier for command line interaction >> purposes. > > I don't see it this way. The package name is a global variable in the > Guix project, and it bears a global semantic value. It's used as a > public identifier that has to meaningfu

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-28 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
Ricardo Wurmus writes: > Let’s fix that then and make it faster. (I think it’s pretty good > already and it’s how I find packages, not by trying out names.) The user experience I'm talking about is, well, the opposite: not to try out names. But maybe this is hard to communicate over emails for

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-27 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
Pierre, hell, all, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: (Using Emacs-Guix.el, Helm, or the next GTK interface.) Emacs? Helm? This ‘average user’ thing is a red herring. I visited my mother today and she asked why my screen is always black and white. I admit to being irritated by this speculation in m

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-27 Thread Daniel Jiang
Hello, Might be related to the subject (?) but would adding something like keywords/tags to package definitions help? On Emacs, a package definition like this can pop up: ack is an available package. > > Status: Available from gnu -- Install > Archive: gnu > Version: 1.8 > Summar

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-27 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
swedebugia, Guix, TL;DR: we're missing a field like ‘DISPLAY-NAME’, and all this is just hacking around the bush. swedebugia wrote: Anyone else who have opinions on the matter of acronyms in names where they can be avoided? I share your aversion to acronyms and senseless abbreviation — I j

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-27 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
Ricardo Wurmus writes: > Completion should not be used as an excuse to use long package names. > For one, not everyone is using Bash, so not everyone benefits from our > Bash completions. (Some shells can reuse Bash completions but this does > not invalidate the point.) We could argue the other

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-27 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Pierre wrote: >Finally, as I mentioned above with the completion systems that we have, >we've got nothing to lose in having long names. swedebugia wrote: > Good useability is important and cryptic acronyms are not something to > expose to the user if possible to avoid IMO. > Maybe this is where

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-27 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello swedebugia, swedebugia skribis: > Good useability is important and cryptic acronyms are not something to expose > to the user if possible to avoid IMO. > > Maybe this is where we need to discuss what our target audience is? Nerds > only? I think you’re jumping to the conclusions here.

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-27 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi! Pierre Neidhardt skribis: > Ludovic Courtès writes: > >> Apologies if I missed a previous discussion on this topic, but… I’m >> skeptical about the renames. I assume that the original names were >> those commonly used in distributions, which in itself may be a good >> reason to keep them.

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-27 Thread swedebugia
Pierre Neidhardt skrev: (27 mars 2019 12:46:26 CET) >Ludovic Courtès writes: > >> Apologies if I missed a previous discussion on this topic, but… I’m >> skeptical about the renames. I assume that the original names were >> those commonly used in distributions, which in itself may be a good >> re

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-27 Thread Pierre Neidhardt
Ludovic Courtès writes: > Apologies if I missed a previous discussion on this topic, but… I’m > skeptical about the renames. I assume that the original names were > those commonly used in distributions, which in itself may be a good > reason to keep them. Names may vary a lot across distributio

Re: 05/15: gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth.

2019-03-27 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello, guix-comm...@gnu.org skribis: > commit 375cb94130b222535ad7c7e0fa0d212483407351 > Author: Pierre Neidhardt > Date: Tue Mar 26 13:37:07 2019 +0100 > > gnu: wesnoth: Rename package to the-battle-for-wesnoth. > commit c91ed484d0b66d5639ba01f9ba301ff762d9170d > Author: Pierre Neidhardt