Re: Frequent locales problems for new users

2020-07-01 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2020-03-17, Leo Famulari wrote: > Warning! Locales! New users seem to have trouble with Guix locales every > day. > > I think we can improve the situation. > > First, we can deprecate the glibc-utf8-locales package and not mention > it in the manual section Application Setup. I've seen users thi

Re: Frequent locales problems for new users

2020-03-26 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi, Leo Famulari skribis: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 04:37:05PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> Thoughts? How do other distros deal with this? Are we missing some >> trick to compress locale data? > > I noticed that downloading glibc-locales, it's 10.8 MiB. On disk, the > store item is ~220 Mi

Re: Frequent locales problems for new users

2020-03-21 Thread Leo Famulari
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 03:43:32PM -0400, Leo Famulari wrote: > I poked around a bit. Debian achieves the smaller size by referring to > data rather than copying it around, and only including delta changes. > Hopefully we can copy their technique. We are discussing it on #guix. I think that Debian

Re: Frequent locales problems for new users

2020-03-21 Thread Leo Famulari
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 04:37:05PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Thoughts? How do other distros deal with this? Are we missing some > trick to compress locale data? I noticed that downloading glibc-locales, it's 10.8 MiB. On disk, the store item is ~220 MiB. I'm not sure how guix size calculat

Re: Frequent locales problems for new users

2020-03-21 Thread Gábor Boskovits
Hello, Ludovic Courtès ezt írta (időpont: 2020. márc. 21., Szo 16:37): > Hi Leo, > > Leo Famulari skribis: > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 04:07:22PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> As for ‘glibc-utf8-locales’ vs. ‘glibc-locales’: the reason for choosing > >> the former by default over the lat

Re: Frequent locales problems for new users

2020-03-21 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi Leo, Leo Famulari skribis: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 04:07:22PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> As for ‘glibc-utf8-locales’ vs. ‘glibc-locales’: the reason for choosing >> the former by default over the latter is size (14 MiB vs. 917 MiB). > > Oof! I was going by the manual, which says 110 M

Re: Frequent locales problems for new users

2020-03-18 Thread Leo Famulari
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 04:07:22PM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > As for ‘glibc-utf8-locales’ vs. ‘glibc-locales’: the reason for choosing > the former by default over the latter is size (14 MiB vs. 917 MiB). Oof! I was going by the manual, which says 110 MiB. That does change things...

Re: Frequent locales problems for new users

2020-03-18 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
Ludo', Thorsten, Leo, Ludovic Courtès 写道: Well, we still need to be able to install locales somehow, right? :-) This isn't about removing all locale packages, just the poorly-named -utf8- variant. Thorsten Wilms 写道: smaller than glibc-locales, but still sufficient for many cases. Is that

Re: Frequent locales problems for new users

2020-03-18 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello! Leo Famulari skribis: > Warning! Locales! New users seem to have trouble with Guix locales every > day. > > I think we can improve the situation. > > First, we can deprecate the glibc-utf8-locales package and not mention > it in the manual section Application Setup. I've seen users think

Re: Frequent locales problems for new users

2020-03-18 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:28:43 -0400 Leo Famulari wrote: > First, we can deprecate the glibc-utf8-locales package and not mention > it in the manual section Application Setup. I've seen users think they > had to install it in order to get UTF-8 support. Everyone should be > using glibc-locales. I

Re: Frequent locales problems for new users

2020-03-18 Thread Efraim Flashner
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 04:28:43PM -0400, Leo Famulari wrote: > Warning! Locales! New users seem to have trouble with Guix locales every > day. > > I think we can improve the situation. > > First, we can deprecate the glibc-utf8-locales package and not mention > it in the manual section Applicati

Frequent locales problems for new users

2020-03-17 Thread Leo Famulari
Warning! Locales! New users seem to have trouble with Guix locales every day. I think we can improve the situation. First, we can deprecate the glibc-utf8-locales package and not mention it in the manual section Application Setup. I've seen users think they had to install it in order to get UTF-8