Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-14 Thread Hartmut Goebel
Am 12.02.2017 um 18:54 schrieb David Craven: > If an attacker already has the privileges required to start the software > I don't think it's possible to gain any more privileges unless that software > has the setuid bit set. You are right. I implicitly made some assumptions like setuid bit set. N

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-14 Thread ng0
On 17-02-12 14:37:53, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > ng0 skribis: > > > On 17-02-11 15:31:15, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> ng0 skribis: > > [...] > > >> > As far as I know right now, it does not have any graphical features or > >> > dependencies. > >> > > >> > mumble:murmur -> total: 1072.6 MiB > >>

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-13 Thread Ludovic Courtès
"pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" skribis: > On 02/12/2017 06:01 PM, Hartmut Goebel wrote: >> Am 12.02.2017 um 15:37 schrieb David Craven: >>> I think that it is a minor >>> issue at best, since anything that isn't accessible over the network or >>> running >>> with any sort of privileges is not very

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-12 Thread David Craven
Hi Hartmut, Sorry for my snide remark... >> This hypothetical attacker is trying to escalate privileges. I don't >> see how starting an unprivileged process would help with that. > > Well, simply by an exploiting a bug in that software. This is a quite > common case :-) It is my understanding th

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-12 Thread pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
On 02/12/2017 06:01 PM, Hartmut Goebel wrote: > Am 12.02.2017 um 15:37 schrieb David Craven: >> I think that it is a minor >> issue at best, since anything that isn't accessible over the network or >> running >> with any sort of privileges is not very useful. > > I strongly disagree! > > Every p

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-12 Thread Hartmut Goebel
Am 12.02.2017 um 15:37 schrieb David Craven: > I think that it is a minor > issue at best, since anything that isn't accessible over the network or > running > with any sort of privileges is not very useful. I strongly disagree! Every piece of software available on the system may the intruder. T

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-12 Thread David Craven
> You read too much between the lines in my words. > I'm not counting on the certifications of Harmut. I simply agree with > the reasoning that no client and server should be combined if possible > to limit the attack surface. That's all. That may be true. It was my intention to back Ludo. I thin

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-12 Thread ng0
On 17-02-12 14:57:05, David Craven wrote: > > Okay. I prefer to wait for the outcome of the discussion around > > server+client merging. I'm in favor of separating for the reasons Harmut > > mentioned. > > This is a free software community. Anyone that needs to assert his authority > with external

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-12 Thread David Craven
> Okay. I prefer to wait for the outcome of the discussion around > server+client merging. I'm in favor of separating for the reasons Harmut > mentioned. This is a free software community. Anyone that needs to assert his authority with external certifications rather than actions and sound reasonin

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-12 Thread ng0
On 17-02-12 14:37:53, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > ng0 skribis: > > > On 17-02-11 15:31:15, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> ng0 skribis: > > [...] > > >> > As far as I know right now, it does not have any graphical features or > >> > dependencies. > >> > > >> > mumble:murmur -> total: 1072.6 MiB > >>

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-12 Thread Ludovic Courtès
ng0 skribis: > On 17-02-11 15:31:15, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> ng0 skribis: [...] >> > As far as I know right now, it does not have any graphical features or >> > dependencies. >> > >> > mumble:murmur -> total: 1072.6 MiB >> > mumble:out-> total: .2 MiB >> >> And what about the total

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-11 Thread ng0
On 17-02-11 15:31:15, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > ng0 skribis: > > > On 17-02-10 22:54:21, Marius Bakke wrote: > >> ng0 writes: > >> > >> > On 17-02-09 23:50:02, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> >> ng0 skribis: > >> >> > >> >> > On 17-02-09 17:50:04, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> >> >> Hi ng0! > >> >>

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-11 Thread Ludovic Courtès
ng0 skribis: > On 17-02-10 22:54:21, Marius Bakke wrote: >> ng0 writes: >> >> > On 17-02-09 23:50:02, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> >> ng0 skribis: >> >> >> >> > On 17-02-09 17:50:04, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> >> >> Hi ng0! >> >> >> >> >> >> contact@cryptolab.net skribis: >> >> >> >> >> >>

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-10 Thread ng0
On 17-02-10 22:54:21, Marius Bakke wrote: > ng0 writes: > > > On 17-02-09 23:50:02, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> ng0 skribis: > >> > >> > On 17-02-09 17:50:04, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> >> Hi ng0! > >> >> > >> >> contact@cryptolab.net skribis: > >> >> > >> >> > This patch adds an propose

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-10 Thread Marius Bakke
ng0 writes: > On 17-02-09 23:50:02, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> ng0 skribis: >> >> > On 17-02-09 17:50:04, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> >> Hi ng0! >> >> >> >> contact@cryptolab.net skribis: >> >> >> >> > This patch adds an proposed change to mumble, murmur as an output. >> >> >> >> I’m reluct

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-10 Thread ng0
On 17-02-09 23:50:02, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > ng0 skribis: > > > On 17-02-09 17:50:04, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> Hi ng0! > >> > >> contact@cryptolab.net skribis: > >> > >> > This patch adds an proposed change to mumble, murmur as an output. > >> > >> I’m reluctant to “non-standard” outp

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-09 Thread Ludovic Courtès
ng0 skribis: > On 17-02-09 17:50:04, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> Hi ng0! >> >> contact@cryptolab.net skribis: >> >> > This patch adds an proposed change to mumble, murmur as an output. >> >> I’m reluctant to “non-standard” outputs like this. The reason for >> multiple outputs should be to r

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-09 Thread ng0
On 17-02-09 17:50:04, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Hi ng0! > > contact@cryptolab.net skribis: > > > This patch adds an proposed change to mumble, murmur as an output. > > I’m reluctant to “non-standard” outputs like this. The reason for > multiple outputs should be to reduce the closure size fo

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-09 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi ng0! contact@cryptolab.net skribis: > This patch adds an proposed change to mumble, murmur as an output. I’m reluctant to “non-standard” outputs like this. The reason for multiple outputs should be to reduce the closure size for standards uses. What do we gain by not included murmurd in

Re: Add murmur.

2017-02-01 Thread ng0
contact@cryptolab.net writes: > This patch adds an proposed change to mumble, murmur as an output. > Murmur is the server of mumble. I tried to use an inherit package first, but > the amount of code for the minor difference between mumble and murmur is not > worth the length of a new packag