Re: toward a plan? (was Re: Reducing "You found a bug" reports)

2024-09-10 Thread Suhail Singh
Simon Tournier writes: > IMHO, the next actions are: > > a) Replace this message: > > (message (format #f "You found a bug: the program '~a' > failed to compute the derivation for Guix (version: ~s; system: ~s; > host version: ~s; pull-version: ~s). > Please report the COMP

toward a plan? (was Re: Reducing "You found a bug" reports)

2024-09-10 Thread Simon Tournier
Hi, As Ian pointed out earlier, here some “guix pull” bugs: 55066 58309 closed 61520 closed 62023 closed 62830 And most of them are transient or hard to reproduce. More had been listed in [1], it reads: 63451 63830 64489 64659 v1.4.0 64753 64963

Re: Reducing "You found a bug" reports

2024-07-26 Thread chris
Politely, my relatively-new-user observations about `guix pull` and home/system reconfigure commands, 1. The commands, in my experience, always fail with network troubles, and the commands must be re-issued multiple times for things to complete. Other internet-requesting utilities such as wget,

Re: Reducing "You found a bug" reports

2024-07-22 Thread Attila Lendvai
> Just a quick side note that some members in our community (not I) are > offended by the word "bug" to describe software defects. welcome to the internet of billions of people, where the cost of expressing one's offence doesn't cost anything anymore, and there are dozens of offended people eve

Re: Reducing "You found a bug" reports

2024-07-22 Thread Suhail Singh
Simon Tournier writes: > More than often, the issue is transient, hard if not impossible to > reproduce and thus hard to analyze. Even, when it happens for me, > sometimes I say ok let try to collect some information for helping in > debugging that but then just running again “guix pull” makes i

Re: Reducing "You found a bug" reports

2024-07-22 Thread Simon Tournier
Hi, On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 at 15:16, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >>> I’m fine removing the “report a bug” message, maybe replacing it with >>> some clearer diagnostic and suggestion? WDYT? >> >> Could we detect if it comes from networking? Somehow catch the error >> and run some code that checks stuff

Re: Reducing "You found a bug" reports

2024-07-21 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi, Simon Tournier skribis: > On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 14:59, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >>> It doesn’t feel great to tell users to report a bug for things that >>> aren’t bugs. They’re either closed, or never followed up on; it’s a >>> poor experience on both ends. >> >> I agree, it’s pretty bad.

Re: Reducing "You found a bug" reports

2024-07-17 Thread Simon Tournier
Hi, On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 14:59, Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> It doesn’t feel great to tell users to report a bug for things that >> aren’t bugs. They’re either closed, or never followed up on; it’s a >> poor experience on both ends. > > I agree, it’s pretty bad. > > I’m fine removing the “report

Re: Reducing "You found a bug" reports

2024-06-17 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Felix Lechner via "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." writes: > On Mon, Jun 17 2024, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> I’m fine removing the “report a bug” message [...] WDYT? > > Just a quick side note that some members in our community (not I) are > offended by the word "bug"

Re: Reducing "You found a bug" reports

2024-06-17 Thread Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
Hi Ludo' & Ian, On Mon, Jun 17 2024, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > I’m fine removing the “report a bug” message [...] WDYT? Just a quick side note that some members in our community (not I) are offended by the word "bug" to describe software defects. Perhaps here is a chance to replace it? Kind reg

Re: Reducing "You found a bug" reports

2024-06-17 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi, Ian Eure skribis: > Is there some way for this code to be smarter about when it prints the > "report a bug" message, so it doesn’t tell users to report bugs when > none exist? Is there a way for it to notice that the problem is > related to networking, and tell the users to try again in a l

Reducing "You found a bug" reports

2024-06-08 Thread Ian Eure
There’s a steady number of bug reports generated by the "You found a bug" message which happens during `guix pull's. The overwhelming majority of these reports are caused by networking problems or the Guix infrastructure being unreliable or overloaded. Many of these were submitted during the