Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-15 Thread Imran Chaudhry
Absolutely. It's called vim. On 10 Oct 2014 08:58, "Gordon Scott" wrote: > On Thu, 2014-10-09 at 20:31 +0100, Keith Edmunds wrote: > > I kept out of the systemd debates at the time, but once the decision was > > made, I got myself a quick intro to it from one of my tech guys. I was > > very fav

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-14 Thread Leo
Thanks for all the info. I think I will go with Debian stable, but stick with Arch on my laptop. Leo -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-10 Thread Gordon Scott
On Thu, 2014-10-09 at 20:31 +0100, Keith Edmunds wrote: > I kept out of the systemd debates at the time, but once the decision was > made, I got myself a quick intro to it from one of my tech guys. I was > very favourably impressed. I don't want to start a war about it, but it > isn't the demon (he

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-09 Thread Keith Edmunds
I kept out of the systemd debates at the time, but once the decision was made, I got myself a quick intro to it from one of my tech guys. I was very favourably impressed. I don't want to start a war about it, but it isn't the demon (hehe) it's been made out to be by some. -- Linux for Web Devloper

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-09 Thread pavithran
On 9 October 2014 03:55, Dr Adam John Trickett wrote: > Both are probably best managed by running aptitude updates daily, and safe- > upgades fairly regularly (e.g. weekly) but you need to watch what is being > upgraded as sometime bits of it stops working. On the Wheezy cycle I lost X > for a wee

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Dr Adam John Trickett
On Wednesday 08 Oct 2014 10:24:59 Leo wrote: > I use Arch on my laptop and it takes some maintenance when I upgrade > (e.g. merging configs, fixing package clashes), and I was wondering how > it compared to Debian Unstable? Has anyone used both; does Debian > Unstable require more/less/similar amou

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Gordon Scott
On 08/10/14 22:38, Lisi wrote: On Wednesday 08 October 2014 20:20:39 Keith Edmunds wrote: Stable plus backports is, arguably, even better, as then you have security updates as well. This is what I go for and would recommend highly - but then I like an easy life with my desktop. ;-) Personall

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 08 October 2014 20:20:39 Keith Edmunds wrote: > Stable plus backports is, arguably, even better, as then you > have security updates as well. This is what I go for and would recommend highly - but then I like an easy life with my desktop. ;-) Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mail

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Keith Edmunds
Unstable doesn't receive security updates other than those the maintainer might upload (ie, the security team don't get involved with unstable). Testing is a good compromise between stability and the latest versions of applications. Stable plus backports is, arguably, even better, as then you have

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Leo
OK, although I thought I'd read that it can take longer for things to be fixed in testing because of the process that the updates have to go through. And that it can take longer to receive security updates than either stable or unstable. Leo On 08/10/14 16:52, Alex Dicks wrote: On 08/10/14 1

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Alex Dicks
On 08/10/14 16:33, Leo wrote: I want to run something with newer software (I currently use Xubuntu as well as Arch) than Debian stable. You're better off trying "testing" (currently "jessie") than "unstable" (nicknamed "sid"). -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: ht

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Leo
I'm just using the standard repos of core, extra and community. As for the upgrade I'm just doing -Syy and -Su. Leo On 08/10/14 17:00, Michael Daffin wrote: How are you upgrading arch, what repos do you have enabled? I have never had any real problem updating archlinux, in fact overall I have

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Leo
Errm, I didn't have anything specific in mind. I guess I just thought that all the software I currently use in Xubuntu and Arch would be a few versions further on that in Debian stable. And that Debian unstable would be more in line with them (given I thought that was what Ubuntu was based off)

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Michael Daffin
How are you upgrading arch, what repos do you have enabled? I have never had any real problem updating archlinux, in fact overall I have had less problems with pacman then with either apt-get or yum. On 8 Oct 2014 10:25, "Leo" wrote: > I use Arch on my laptop and it takes some maintenance when I

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Imran Chaudhry
On 8 October 2014 16:33, Leo wrote: > I want to run something with newer software (I currently use Xubuntu as well > as Arch) than Debian stable. I guess I was after what newer software you mean: if it's major apps like web browsers then it's pretty simple to run the latest Chrome and Firefox on

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Leo
I want to run something with newer software (I currently use Xubuntu as well as Arch) than Debian stable. Leo On 08/10/14 16:29, Imran Chaudhry wrote: Hi Leo, Why do you want to run Debian unstable instead of Debian stable? I've never run "sid" (the Debian Unstable codename) but I know peopl

Re: [Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Imran Chaudhry
On 8 October 2014 10:24, Leo wrote: > I use Arch on my laptop and it takes some maintenance when I upgrade (e.g. > merging configs, fixing package clashes), and I was wondering how it > compared to Debian Unstable? Has anyone used both; does Debian Unstable > require more/less/similar amount of ma

[Hampshire] Arch vs Debian

2014-10-08 Thread Leo
I use Arch on my laptop and it takes some maintenance when I upgrade (e.g. merging configs, fixing package clashes), and I was wondering how it compared to Debian Unstable? Has anyone used both; does Debian Unstable require more/less/similar amount of maintenance to Arch? Thanks, Leo -- Pleas