On 2/23/06, Chris Farley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dude...Special Olympics?? That was tasteless and uncalled for. You should
> be ashamed of yourself.
Less for the joke than forgetting that fully 50% of email is misinterperted.
If I offended anyone, I apologize.
While I'm at it, I apologize
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Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] A Pill, a Scalpel, a Database
On 2/23/06, Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey guys, can we agree to disagree, or move any ensuing flame war to
> another venue?
>
> Kevin
Agreed. This thread is dead.
Arguing in a mailing list
On 2/23/06, Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey guys, can we agree to disagree, or move any ensuing flame war to
> another venue?
>
> Kevin
Agreed. This thread is dead.
Arguing in a mailing list is like competing in the Special
Olympics Even if you win, ...
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Hey guys, can we agree to disagree, or move any ensuing flame war to
another venue?
Kevin
On 2/23/06, Mike Lieman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/23/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > I dunno,
> >
> > Well that would be obvious
> >
> > > your duty to The State in
On 2/23/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > I dunno,
>
> Well that would be obvious
>
> > your duty to The State in obeying it's regulations about
> > privacy and your duty to your customers seems pretty clear cut.
>
> Not so clear cut. First I don't have any customers. Maybe
> >
>
> I dunno,
Well that would be obvious
> your duty to The State in obeying it's regulations about
> privacy and your duty to your customers seems pretty clear cut.
Not so clear cut. First I don't have any customers. Maybe you have
customers, but as a Pharmacist I have patients, which is
On 2/22/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 11:35, Mike Lieman wrote:
> > On 2/21/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 08:02, Mike Lieman wrote:
> > > > On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Op
On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 11:35, Mike Lieman wrote:
> On 2/21/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 08:02, Mike Lieman wrote:
> > > On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Open my records! Please open my records.
> > > >
> > > > Is that c
Ruben is not a physician, as far as I know. I believe he is a pharmacist.
Kevin
On 2/22/06, Mike Lieman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/21/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 08:02, Mike Lieman wrote:
> > > On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
On 2/21/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 08:02, Mike Lieman wrote:
> > On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Open my records! Please open my records.
> > >
> > > Is that clear enough?
> > >
> >
> > How do you think your patients feel a
--- Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Or do you care more how
> your
> patient "feels" about it then saving the life of your patients wife
> when
> you tell her that her husband has AID's. What kind of professional
> ethics are you displaying?
>
>
> Ruben
I think Ruben raises some valid
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 08:02, Mike Lieman wrote:
> On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Open my records! Please open my records.
> >
> > Is that clear enough?
> >
>
> How do you think your patients feel about that?
I don't really care how they feel about it any more than
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> Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] A Pill, a Scalpel, a Database
>
> On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The health department, as far as I'm concerned, can ask for any
> > information it wants. Unless your showing
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Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] A Pill, a Scalpel, a Database
On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The health department, as far as I'm concerned, can ask for any
>
> Blaming the CEO isn't fair. They have every right to be compensated at
> ridiculous levels, being that they are in charge of such large
> organizations. All CEOs are ridiculously compensated.
>
Sure, but I'm struck by the thought that if the LAW was a corporate
office could have only the hea
On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Open my records! Please open my records.
>
> Is that clear enough?
>
How do you think your patients feel about that?
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On 2/16/06, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The health department, as far as I'm concerned, can ask for any
> information it wants. Unless your showing me that this information is
> being miss used, or used legally, I'm ABSOLUTELY not interested.
>
> In fact, they need to flush HIPPA whi
Mike Schrom wrote:
CBF: This should definitely be legal. Why should the employer be saddled
with the cost of your lowered productivity due to illness?
MS: That sounds great, unless you are the one whose children can't have
food or clothes or go to college because you can't get a job because
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Sometimes a picture is worth, well, you know... ;-)
http://www.claybennett.com/pages/10_29_01.html
Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
This sounds like a discussion from an ethics course, where we have a
discordance between conflicting principles.
As physicians, we are trained to be patient advocates. We
(Snip)
CBF: This should definitely be legal. Why should the employer be saddled
with the cost of your lowered productivity due to illness?
MS: That sounds great, unless you are the one whose children can't have
food or clothes or go to college because you can't get a job because
EVERY potenti
Likewise:
Chris Farley wrote:
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Chris Farley
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This sounds like a discussion from an ethics course, where we have a
discordance between conflicting principles.
As physicians, we are trained to be patient advocates. We don't
usually step back and look at the big picture--at least those in
private practice. It takes researches in the CDC etc t
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Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] A Pill, a Scalpel, a Database
On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 09:36:02AM +1300, Stephen Hay wrote:
> Loud and clear...!
>
> Shame I'm not a policy maker... ;-)
>
We're all responsible for policy although I apreciate the attempt at humor.
Ruben
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Loud and clear...!
Shame I'm not a policy maker... ;-)
Ruben Safir wrote:
And people who make policy tend not to be subject to that
policy - at least, where I live that's the case... Likewise,
the people who demand the information be made public are
usually in a position, I say usually, that
>
> And people who make policy tend not to be subject to that
> policy - at least, where I live that's the case... Likewise,
> the people who demand the information be made public are
> usually in a position, I say usually, that doesn't require
> that their own records are open to public displ
Consider this.
A database/patient management system exists full of rich
patient data.
What's being debated in this thread is policy, which
translates into business rules, the data's the same,
regardless. If the business rules are set up to reflect
policy, they can be changed as policy chang
On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 03:06:04PM -0500, Nancy Anthracite wrote:
> >From the NYC Health Department web site
> http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/ah/ahn1.shtml
>
> New York State began implementation of this law on June 1, 2000. ...
>
> 1 .What is this new law about, and what will it do?
> The new
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 15:49 -0400, Joseph Conn wrote:
> I'm with you, Nancy. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions and
> I'm surprised I haven't heard the ACLU filing an injunction against NYC
> on this program. Since diabetes is not contagious, I don't think that
> because the city may
From the NYC Health Department web site
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/ah/ahn1.shtml
New York State began implementation of this law on June 1, 2000. ...
1 .What is this new law about, and what will it do?
The new law requires doctors and laboratories to tell the Health Department
about new c
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 15:49 -0400, Joseph Conn wrote:
> I'm with you, Nancy. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions and
> I'm surprised I haven't heard the ACLU filing an injunction against NYC
> on this program. Since diabetes is not contagious, I don't think that
> because the city may
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 14:27 -0500, Nancy Anthracite wrote:
> Most if not all health departments require that contacts be notified. They
> just don't allow the contact to be told who had the positive HIV test without
> permission.
>
> I don't think anyone who has a positive HIV test is a prior
I'm with you, Nancy. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions and
I'm surprised I haven't heard the ACLU filing an injunction against NYC
on this program. Since diabetes is not contagious, I don't think that
because the city may end up paying the cost of care for some of its
citizens gives
Most if not all health departments require that contacts be notified. They
just don't allow the contact to be told who had the positive HIV test without
permission.
I don't think anyone who has a positive HIV test is a priori a murderer.
If someone in NYC hears the Health Department is colle
--- James Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We may be wasting bandwidth, but I do agree.
>
> Jim Gray
>
It's not an either/or situation, or at least it shouldn't be. You've
both discussed valid functional requirements, and the question should
be how you are to accomodate both.
===
Gregory Woo
We may be wasting bandwidth, but I do agree.
Jim Gray
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From: "Ruben Safir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] A Pill, a Scalpel, a Database
Why do I have to fill Lipitor presc
Why do I have to fill Lipitor prescriptions without knowing the patients
liver enzyme test results?
Is that nuts or what
Ruben
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 11:59, James Gray wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Where is patient control of
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 12:07, Nancy Anthracite wrote:
> I have been working with the CDC with an eye to include in VistA the option
> to
> report deidentified data to the Biosense project to help with the early
> detection of disease such outbreaks, etc. Privacy does not have to be
> violated i
I have been working with the CDC with an eye to include in VistA the option to
report deidentified data to the Biosense project to help with the early
detection of disease such outbreaks, etc. Privacy does not have to be
violated in order to achieve most of what you are concerned about.
On Thu
- Original Message -
From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Where is patient control of their information?
Yes. Why can't I get the medical lab to send me a copy of my lab results?
Why do I have to make special request to the lab each time to get them to
send my primary care
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 11:17, Nancy Anthracite wrote:
> Yes indeed. You all know I believe in VistA and what it can do, but I have
> ever increasing anxiety about what this is going to do to privacy and thus
> what impact it will have on the physician patient relationship.
>
> New York City Depa
Yes indeed. You all know I believe in VistA and what it can do, but I have
ever increasing anxiety about what this is going to do to privacy and thus
what impact it will have on the physician patient relationship.
New York City Department of Health is getting the results of ALL A1C tests in
th
As long as it's quality medical information FOR patients, not quality
medical information ABOUT patients, that is not specifically authorized.
Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
If HIS were standardized, I could anticipate a "Google" of the future
coming up with fantastic ways of enhancing patient care b
If HIS were standardized, I could anticipate a "Google" of the future
coming up with fantastic ways of enhancing patient care by optimal
presentation of patient data, i.e. scanning, filtering etc.. Already
Google makes it very easy to look up quality medical information for
patients on the interne
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