Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Joseph Dal Molin
ED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:42 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN Never mind, based on other comments, I don't think that BMCA is a viable option without significant extension. Ke

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
> no reference (say, 30 days) that patient's records > are simply purged from > > the local system but are permanent on the central > repositories (note that > > the VA won't have the only repository!) > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL P

RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Kevin > Toppenberg > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:42 AM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS > performance over VPN > > Never mind, based on other comments, I don't think > th

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Joseph Dal Molin
entrally reposited information. It's also a model that I hope will end up being part of HealtheVet-VistA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K.S. Bhaskar Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:17 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subje

RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Cameron Schlehuber
te that the VA won't have the only repository!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:42 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance

RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Thurman Pedigo
Original Message - > From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN > > > > Such as? > > > > Kevin > > > > >

RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Thurman Pedigo
ers@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN > > Bhaskar, > > These are good ideas. I will turn them over in my > mind. I have thought about the BMCA system before, > but I'm still not sure if it will work when both &g

RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
being part > > of HealtheVet-VistA. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of K.S. > > Bhaskar > > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:17 AM > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourc

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Maury Pepper
ent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN > Such as? > > Kevin > > > --- Gregory Woodhouse > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Perhaps more to the point, how best to run an >> application li

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Comments below: --- smcphelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bhaskar's suggestion would be a nice solution if > that is what BCMA does. > The BCMA backup program does not relay all relevant > information for the EHR > for that patient. It only backups up that data that > is relevant for the > func

RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
e- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of K.S. > Bhaskar > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:17 AM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS > performance over VPN > > Kevin -- > > Th

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Bhaskar, These are good ideas. I will turn them over in my mind. I have thought about the BMCA system before, but I'm still not sure if it will work when both servers (i.e. the main one and the peripheral "ward" server are connected) are up. Thanks again. Kevin --- "K.S. Bhaskar" <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Such as? Kevin --- Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps more to the point, how best to run an > application like CPRS in > a WAN environment is an interesting problem. > Unfortunately, you can't > have everything for free, and a simple request/reply > paradigm may not > b

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-13 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
The VPN/WAN is via TCP I believe. I don't know how to monitor the window size, and I don't think I can alter it anyway. Kevin --- Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you run the VPN over TCP or UDP? I know that TCP > based RPC protocols > (like the one used by the Broker) are s

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread Nancy Anthracite
7 country without a > national BB policy. > > Japan - 1 Gbps for $38/mo (voice, data, video) > - > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse > > Sen

RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread Thurman Pedigo
9:17 AM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN > > Can you elaborate? Are you talking about backbone capabilities or > end-user services like DSL? > > --- Thurman Pedigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread smcphelan
essage - From: "Greg Woodhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Slow CPRS performance over VPN > I have been advocating a "write through" approach to data replication. > It works well when data is on

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread Greg Woodhouse
I have been advocating a "write through" approach to data replication. It works well when data is only read but not updated. Distributed updates are harder, probably requiring a 2- or 3-phase commit, even with just two systems. Of course, an interesting question is: Where does this kind of functio

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread Joseph Dal Molin
Perhaps the glass is half fulllcouldn't BCMA functionality be extended to address the rest of the data and patient popn'?? smcphelan wrote: Bhaskar's suggestion would be a nice solution if that is what BCMA does. The BCMA backup program does not relay all relevant information for the EHR for

RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread Greg Woodhouse
Can you elaborate? Are you talking about backbone capabilities or end-user services like DSL? --- Thurman Pedigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These are interesting observations. Even more interesting is a story > slowly > rising to the top of the news, having been upstaged by > run-away-bride, th

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread Greg Woodhouse
Well, not the basic TCP stack but the VPN. My thought was that there could be window size issue afflicting the connection upon which the VPN is layered, not the "normal" traffic running over the VPN. I know people talk about doing things like disabling Nagle to optimize web servers, but I agree th

RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread Thurman Pedigo
These are interesting observations. Even more interesting is a story slowly rising to the top of the news, having been upstaged by run-away-bride, that the U.S. over the past four years has slipped from the leader in bandwidth to #15 in the world market. Some authorities now describe us as driving

Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread smcphelan
Bhaskar's suggestion would be a nice solution if that is what BCMA does. The BCMA backup program does not relay all relevant information for the EHR for that patient. It only backups up that data that is relevant for the function of giving medication to inpatients only, not all patients. So it ha

RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread Cameron Schlehuber
ts-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN Kevin -- This post is in the spirit of Greg's suggestion to brainstorm alternative approaches. One alternative is just to ask a local telecom company to provide an end-to-end VPN. I know that you can ge

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
Kevin -- This post is in the spirit of Greg's suggestion to brainstorm alternative approaches. One alternative is just to ask a local telecom company to provide an end-to-end VPN. I know that you can get decent (or at least acceptable) performance this way. For example, the GT.M development s

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
Perhaps more to the point, how best to run an application like CPRS in a WAN environment is an interesting problem. Unfortunately, you can't have everything for free, and a simple request/reply paradigm may not be the best way to go over a WAN. There are other alternatives, though. Keep in mind

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Slow CPRS performance over VPN

2005-05-12 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
Do you run the VPN over TCP or UDP? I know that TCP based RPC protocols (like the one used by the Broker) are still problematic over a WAN, but this would at least take window size at the VPN level out of the equation. You can also monitor window size using a tool like tcpdump. Gregory Wo