Re: [H] Dual core or Quad core?

2007-11-08 Thread Rick Glazier
I was under the impression that over-clocking erroded the electronics at a microscopic level... (A hidden cost so to speak...) Rick Glazier From: Winterlight I am surprised that anybody is still screwing around with overclocking considering the the

[H] RE:Dual core or Quad core?

2007-11-08 Thread Winterlight
I have a .38 special. Almost every expert, and authority will claim that I can shoot the occasional +P round in it and it would be fine.but then you got to wonder... is this the day the barrel is going to blow off in my hand. I don't like the feeling that maybe this time things won't

RE: [H] RE:Dual core or Quad core?

2007-11-08 Thread Greg Sevart
The number of killer apps for 4+ cores will likely remain small into the foreseeable future. Greg I disagree... at least for the apps that matter to me. But only time will answer that. For me Quad is the value choice. In fact, I am thinking about a Xeon Dual Quad, which is really off the

Re: [H] RE:Dual core or Quad core?

2007-11-08 Thread Brian Weeden
On 11/8/07, Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no it is the same process. Using a highly engineered device beyond it's specifications with the potential of negative consequences. Like I said in my post a couple messages ago, assuming that the CPU is designed to run at the speed it is

RE: [H] Dual core or Quad core?

2007-11-08 Thread Greg Sevart
I am surprised that anybody is still screwing around with overclocking considering the the price and power of modern processors. I have enough trouble getting a perfect encoding without adding in the added risk that comes from overclocking. I encode raw HD transport streams to H.264 on my

Re: [H] Dual core or Quad core?

2007-11-08 Thread Brian Weeden
It can but IMHO the risk is low. The issue is that as the feature size in processors got smaller and smaller you start getting friction (for lack of a better word) of the electrical current. This can indeed erode the pathways in the chip and can lead to degradation. However most of Intel's chips

Re: [H] Dual core or Quad core?

2007-11-08 Thread Al
Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK; These two statements: I am surprised that anybody is still screwing around with overclocking and We are the HWG right...high end and on the edge of performance. don't jive. :) Seriously, I agree the need to/advantage of overclocking has

[H] RE:Dual core or Quad core?

2007-11-08 Thread Winterlight
The difference in encode times between 4 cores 2.4GHz and 4 cores at 3.2GHz is dramatic--overclocking is still very much alive and very much worthwhile. For you, maybe, not for me. I can spend hours editing, and encoding video... I might not even see an annoying anomaly in the first

RE: [H] RE:Dual core or Quad core?

2007-11-08 Thread Greg Sevart
The difference in encode times between 4 cores 2.4GHz and 4 cores at 3.2GHz is dramatic--overclocking is still very much alive and very much worthwhile. For you, maybe, not for me. I can spend hours editing, and encoding video... I might not even see an annoying anomaly in the first

RE: [H] RE:Dual core or Quad core?

2007-11-08 Thread Greg Sevart
They are. It's all in binning. At the beginning of a new design or new process, generally, the trouble is getting enough parts that qualify for the top speed bins. Chips that fail the top grade are generally re-rested at all bins the manufacturer has, going into the appropriate bin that it

RE: [H] RE:Dual core or Quad core?

2007-11-08 Thread Hayes Elkins
Overclocking a CPU is has never been my worry, intel cores since the late 90's through today (with the exception of that turd Prescott) overclock with little effort - the problem has always been the supporting cast. Overclocked memory is in my experience much more sensitive and unstable at