Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-10 Thread Dalibor Topic
Stefano Mazzocchi apache.org> writes: > Don't know about you, I would call that a resounding success for those > like us who wanted the ability to see the results of the FOSS > development and innovation model applied to the inner workings of a Java > virtual machine. > > And, if in doing so, a

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-10 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Dalibor Topic wrote: > Stefano Mazzocchi apache.org> writes: > >> Sometimes some climbers manage to get to the other side to find that >> some people are very welcoming and appreciative of cultural differences >> while others not so much. > > What killed Harmony as the project it was planned to

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-10 Thread Dalibor Topic
Stefano Mazzocchi apache.org> writes: > Sometimes some climbers manage to get to the other side to find that > some people are very welcoming and appreciative of cultural differences > while others not so much. What killed Harmony as the project it was planned to be wasn't people, in my opinion.

Re: [Japi] Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-09 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Stuart Ballard wrote: Japitools isn't affiliated with Classpath btw, I had Classpath in mind when I originally developed it, yes, and it's GPL licensed because I have a mild preference for that license, but I don't feel strongly about it. One of the reasons I started a Japitools list in fact w

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-09 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Stuart Ballard wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: David Gilbert wrote: > A boon? Not at all, Classpath will be (mostly) redundant and will fade > away, replaced by Sun's runtime. I'm not so convinced of that. GNU Classpath is under GPL + Exception, so arguably it's not viral to things that li

Re: [Japi] Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-09 Thread Stuart Ballard
On 11/9/06, Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sometimes some climbers manage to get to the other side to find that some people are very welcoming and appreciative of cultural differences while others not so much. Ok, wow, this whole subthread is kind of what I meant by the politics b

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
David Gilbert wrote: > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: >> >> >> The only real issue that we had is license incompatibility, but I >> thought there was goodwill everywhere to work where we could. >> > > Why don't we be honest and just admit that there is no goodwill between > the projects? It was there,

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-09 Thread David Gilbert
Stuart Ballard wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: David Gilbert wrote: > A boon? Not at all, Classpath will be (mostly) redundant and will fade > away, replaced by Sun's runtime. I'm not so convinced of that. GNU Classpath is under GPL + Exception, so arguably it's not viral to things that li

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-09 Thread Stuart Ballard
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: David Gilbert wrote: > A boon? Not at all, Classpath will be (mostly) redundant and will fade > away, replaced by Sun's runtime. I'm not so convinced of that. GNU Classpath is under GPL + Exception, so arguably it's not viral to things that link with it. I think it'

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-09 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
David Gilbert wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Sun using the GPL is a boon for Classpath, so good for them - I'm not sure how they can actually use the Sun code, as Sun won't be granting copyright assignment to the FSF as GNU Classpath requires, and it's under a different license (not the

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-09 Thread David Gilbert
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Sun using the GPL is a boon for Classpath, so good for them - I'm not sure how they can actually use the Sun code, as Sun won't be granting copyright assignment to the FSF as GNU Classpath requires, and it's under a different license (not the GPL + Exception), but I

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-09 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
David Gilbert wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: The only real issue that we had is license incompatibility, but I thought there was goodwill everywhere to work where we could. Why don't we be honest and just admit that there is no goodwill between the projects? It was there, briefly, b

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-09 Thread Chris Gray
On Thursday 09 November 2006 11:20, David Gilbert wrote: > Why don't we be honest and just admit that there is no goodwill between > the projects? It was there, briefly, but now it is gone. There's no > collaboration, there's no cooperation...just two separate projects > implementing the same AP

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-09 Thread David Gilbert
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: The only real issue that we had is license incompatibility, but I thought there was goodwill everywhere to work where we could. Why don't we be honest and just admit that there is no goodwill between the projects? It was there, briefly, but now it is gone. Ther

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-08 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Stuart Ballard wrote: On 11/7/06, Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (Yes, the japitools list is on an FSF server. I really really hope > that this isn't going to be a political problem for you guys. I > selected Savannah for hosting japitools before Harmony even existed, > becaus

Re: [Fwd: Re: Interesting discoveries playing around with japitools]

2006-11-07 Thread Stuart Ballard
On 11/7/06, Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: btw, I signed up on the japi mail list, so I think we should take it from there. cc'ing both harmony-dev and japitools-list for now so that at least harmony folks are aware the discussion is moving. Feel free to just stick to japitools-li