Re: Stop this framework/modularity madness!

2005-05-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Royce Ausburn wrote: In my experience, delaying the 'modular design' of a system causes more work. More coding work? sure thing. If you factor into work the amount of email and time and emotional energy you will have to consume to get to that modular design over a mail list with 100 people,

Re: Stop this framework/modularity madness!

2005-05-17 Thread Steve Blackburn
Hi Rodrigo, I believe the focus should be on deciding if Harmony will star from other JVM or not. I agree entirely that this is an important issue, and a lot of people are working hard right now to see if this can happen. Donating an entire JVM to apache is not a trivial issue, so we will need

Re: Stop this framework/modularity madness!

2005-05-17 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 16, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Rodrigo Kumpera wrote: Making Harmony modular enouth to be kind of a JVM framework cannot be done before having a working JVM. There is a lot of literature about how frameworks should emerge from continuous design and development. There's been a lot of work in this

Re: Stop this framework/modularity madness!

2005-05-17 Thread Rodrigo Kumpera
Maybe this pluggable layer that is not well defined. I think that having this as a link time thing is more than enouth. It doesn´t mean that only one GC algorithm or JITer will be available at runtime, but all the options should be defined when building the JVM. Refactoring a system to have a

Re: Stop this framework/modularity madness!

2005-05-17 Thread Peter Donald
Steve Blackburn wrote: However, it is not the either/or situtation you paint above. I think it may make most sense to work on a preexisting donated VM or VMs while *concurrently* developing a new VM core or cores from scratch. This approach has a number of advantages, including maximizing our