[ha-Safran]: Re: Children books and "censorship"

2006-03-16 Thread Bernard Katz
Nakhon David - I'll continue with you directly. But a last word... Throughout your comments, you specifically note that there are individual soldiers, settlers, etc. who do shameful things as opposed to the groups as a whole. And indeed that's true and the proportion of these individuals to the w

[ha-Safran]: Re: Children books and "censorship"

2006-03-16 Thread yoel sheridan
Dear Safranim, Apropos Bernard Katz's hope that others will join in the discussion with David and himself, (March 16,2006), I would like to make the following points. I have read the review and followed the discussion related to the book "Three Wishes: Palestinian and Israeli Children Speak" f

[ha-Safran]: Re: Children books and "censorship"

2006-03-16 Thread David Elazar
I just cannot accept Bernard Katz's arguments. I look at the picture as a whole and not at specific incidents - The Palestinians are responsible for their own suffering. Yes, we can point out very unpleasant incidents perpetrated by Israelis, some of which I and most Israelis, including the Gover

[ha-Safran]: Re: Children books and "censorship"

2006-03-15 Thread Bernard Katz
I thank David for continuing this discussion on a good level and now in a general line for all children's books. It is very important to have an exchange like this, only I would hope that it could become a 'round-table' discussion involving more of us. With that hope, I'll respond to David's poi

[ha-Safran]: Re: Children books and "censorship"

2006-03-15 Thread David Elazar
First let me clarify that I writing about children books in general and not specifically about "Three Wishes" The following is in regard to Bernard Katz's statement: "Israel bears some (by no means all) of the direct and indirect responsibility for their suffering. This so patently obvious that I

[ha-Safran]: Re: Children books and "censorship"

2006-03-15 Thread Bernard Katz
Shalom David, My sincere apologies for my memory lapse. I relied on what you had included from my posting in your own message (you referred to it as being so included further down) and of course that was only part of what I had written, as you in fact said it was. I should have gone back to my or

[ha-Safran]: Re: Children books and "censorship"

2006-03-14 Thread Bernard Katz
I trust David will permit me to correct him. I did not say "certain uncomfortable facts", what I said was that Three Wishes may raise "uncomfortable questions with our children that we adults must try to answer, and the contextual material Ellis provides is a good starting place for [doing] tha

[ha-Safran]: Re: Children books and "censorship"

2006-03-14 Thread David Elazar
What Bernard regards as "certain uncomfortable facts" (see below), I see as facts taken out of historical context - I was taught these facts in Hebrew school along with the history of the area called Eretz Yisrael (Palestine). There are many publications including James Parkes "Whose Land?" which

[ha-Safran]: Re: Children books and "censorship"

2006-03-10 Thread Bernard Katz
David Elazar poses some questions in his posting about book selection and censorship. However, he tries to draw a parallel between anti-semitic or Holocaust denial books, or "children['s] books glorifying the acts [of] Al Qaida", and books about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I believe his rem