Re: re. Arrays and Assoc

1993-10-06 Thread Thomas Johnsson
Thomas Johnsson says: If I recall correctly, the := to be used in array comprehensions was a consession to the FORTRAN/Id/Sisal community, so that array comprehensions would look more like they were used to. Both Arvind and I think this is notation is awful, and I don't

Re: Arrays and Assoc

1993-10-06 Thread Thomas Johnsson
Let me just remind people what the LML arrays does: example: lmlarray 1 3 f list = array [ 1:= f [ x | (1,x) - list], 2:= f [ x | (2,x) - list], 3:= f [ x | (3,x) - list] ] where array is

Re: Arrays and Assoc

1993-10-06 Thread Thomas Johnsson
I agree, but I also agree with Lennart that both sorts of arrays are needed. Yes, I agree on that; language design is, as always, a compromise between the desirable semantics (in this case, as lazy as possible), and desirable efficency, and we don't know yet how to make lazy arrays a la LML

re. Arrays and Assoc

1993-10-05 Thread nikhil
Thomas Johnsson says: If I recall correctly, the := to be used in array comprehensions was a consession to the FORTRAN/Id/Sisal community, so that array comprehensions would look more like they were used to. Both Arvind and I think this is notation is awful, and I don't recall

Re: Arrays and Assoc

1993-10-05 Thread Lennart Augustsson
1. We should get rid of Assoc. I agree wholeheartedly! Do we have tp consider backwards compat? 2. Arrays should be lazier. I agree again. But I think both kinds should be provided. 3. AccumArray should mimic foldr, not foldl. Right! -- Lennart

Re: re. Arrays and Assoc

1993-10-05 Thread Joe Fasel
Nikhil says, | Thomas Johnsson says: | | If I recall correctly, the := to be used in array comprehensions was a | consession to the FORTRAN/Id/Sisal community, so that array comprehensions | would look more like they were used to. | | Both Arvind and I think this is notation is

Re: Arrays and Assoc

1993-10-05 Thread Thomas Johnsson
John Launchbury says: 1. We should get rid of Assoc. When explaining my programs to other people I find this is a point of confusion. Imagine exaplaining array construction, "When I define an array, the comprehension produces a list of index/value pairs, only they are not written as

Re: Arrays and Assoc

1993-10-05 Thread Joe Fasel
John Launchbury says, | Here are three comments directed particularly at Haskell 1.3 people, but | obviously open to general feedback. | | 1. We should get rid of Assoc. | | When explaining my programs to other people I find this is a point of | confusion. Imagine exaplaining array construction,

Re: Arrays and Assoc

1993-10-05 Thread John Launchbury
But I think we can have the cake and eat it too, if we get rid of the restriction (which I never liked) that operators beginning with : must be a constructor: just define a := b = (a,b) Unfortunately that won't work if := had been used in patterns. I think backward compatibility is an issue.

Arrays and Assoc

1993-10-05 Thread rabin
John Launchbury makes the suggestion, inter alia, that Haskell 1.3 `should get rid of Assoc.' Reading some of the followup messages, I see that there is some division on this point. Those closer to the scientific applications community, such as Nikhil and Joe Fasel's acquaintances, seem to be