Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell-friendly Linux Distribution

2010-03-29 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Ivan Miljenovic wrote: > On 30 March 2010 14:33, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > > The haskell packages for Debian (I am one) > > You are a Haskell _package_? :p s/packages/packagers/ Although I speak for me, not the group. > >  - The source code package will be called haskell-foo. > > Is this a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell-friendly Linux Distribution

2010-03-29 Thread Ivan Miljenovic
On 30 March 2010 14:33, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > The haskell packages for Debian (I am one) You are a Haskell _package_? :p >  - The source code package will be called haskell-foo. Is this an actual installable package (so you're installing the actual source code?) ? > Debian does not stri

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell-friendly Linux Distribution

2010-03-29 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Ivan Miljenovic wrote: > > [..] now trying to profile something, oh wait, some problem again. > > Agreed, if Debian didn't include the profiling libraries with GHC > (though is this due to how Debian does packages?). The haskell packages for Debian (I am one) have decided to stick to a pattern w

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Trying to figure out a segfault caused by haskeline.

2010-03-29 Thread Jason Dagit
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:37 PM, ryan winkelmaier wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm looking for help with a seg fault that takes out both my ghci and darcs > as well as anything that uses haskeline. A bug on the haskeline trac hasn't > gotten any response so I figured I might as well figure this out

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell-friendly Linux Distribution

2010-03-29 Thread Ivan Miljenovic
On 30 March 2010 13:55, Jason Dagit wrote: > The reason I started telling everyone to avoid GHC in apt was the way it was > packaged.  Casual Haskell users would install GHC but get something like > 1/10th of the libraries GHC installs when you do a source install Is that because Debian didn't b

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell-friendly Linux Distribution

2010-03-29 Thread Jason Dagit
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Joachim Breitner wrote: > Hi, > > Am Sonntag, den 28.03.2010, 09:04 +0100 schrieb Magnus Therning: > > I have to say it looks like Debian has gotten their act together > > somewhat when it comes to Haskel development. Many of the reasons for > > my deserting Debia

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: building "encoding" on Windows?

2010-03-29 Thread Ivan Miljenovic
On 30 March 2010 13:27, wrote: > The Haskell Platform is supposed to be a development environment... No-one ever said it was a _complete_ development environment and that you'd never need any other libraries, tools, etc. -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpre

[Haskell-cafe] Trying to figure out a segfault caused by haskeline.

2010-03-29 Thread ryan winkelmaier
Hey everyone, I'm looking for help with a seg fault that takes out both my ghci and darcs as well as anything that uses haskeline. A bug on the haskeline trac hasn't gotten any response so I figured I might as well figure this out myself and get ghci up and running again. Using the test program b

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: building "encoding" on Windows?

2010-03-29 Thread wagnerdm
Quoting John Lato : Packages on Hackage are *source distributions*, so users need a development environment in order to make use of them. Windows doesn't have a built-in development environment, therefore I don't see any reason why developers shouldn't choose the one most convenient to them.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Where are the haskell elders?

2010-03-29 Thread klondike
El 30/03/10 01:19, Ivan Miljenovic escribió: > 2010/3/30 Don Stewart : > >>> I notice that posts from the Haskell elders are pretty rare now. Only >>> every now and then we hear from them. >>> >>> How come? >>> >> Because there is too much noise on this list, Günther >> > And they ha

[Haskell-cafe] Re: building "encoding" on Windows?

2010-03-29 Thread John Lato
> Message: 20 > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:45:49 +0100 > From: > Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] building "encoding" on Windows? > To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org > Message-ID: <4bb1117d.5090...@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > wagne...@seas.upenn.edu wrote:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Christopher Done
On 29 March 2010 21:51, Sebastiaan Visser wrote: > Nice work, definitely beats the current version! > > A few remarks: >  - Please throw in a bit more color somehow. Like said before, this shade of > gray is a bit depressive. >  - The "more" links are far to prominent. These links are not that im

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Where are the haskell elders?

2010-03-29 Thread Günther Schmidt
Hi Lennart, that's one explanation, true. Günther ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Where are the haskell elders?

2010-03-29 Thread Ivan Miljenovic
2010/3/30 Don Stewart : >> I notice that posts from the Haskell elders are pretty rare now. Only >> every now and then we hear from them. >> >> How come? > > Because there is too much noise on this list, Günther And they have better things to do than answer stupid questions and get involved in pet

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Where are the haskell elders?

2010-03-29 Thread Lennart Augustsson
What Don said. 2010/3/29 Don Stewart : > gue.schmidt: >> Hi all, >> >> I notice that posts from the Haskell elders are pretty rare now. Only >> every now and then we hear from them. >> >> How come? > > Because there is too much noise on this list, Günther > > -- Don > _

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Where are the haskell elders?

2010-03-29 Thread Günther Schmidt
Hi Don, good answer :) Günther Am 30.03.10 00:53, schrieb Don Stewart: gue.schmidt: Hi all, I notice that posts from the Haskell elders are pretty rare now. Only every now and then we hear from them. How come? Because there is too much noise on this list, Günther -- Don _

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Where are the haskell elders?

2010-03-29 Thread Don Stewart
gue.schmidt: > Hi all, > > I notice that posts from the Haskell elders are pretty rare now. Only > every now and then we hear from them. > > How come? Because there is too much noise on this list, Günther -- Don ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-C

[Haskell-cafe] Where are the haskell elders?

2010-03-29 Thread Günther Schmidt
Hi all, I notice that posts from the Haskell elders are pretty rare now. Only every now and then we hear from them. How come? Günther ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread Tom Davies
On 30/03/2010, at 9:01 AM, Richard O'Keefe wrote: > There is some evidence that arrows may go back 60,000 years, > which is time enough for some evolutionary effect. IIRC, Hughes defined arrows last millenium, which makes them no more than 1000 years old. I certainly find that I have no innate

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread Richard O'Keefe
On Mar 30, 2010, at 4:19 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Taming a horse is good for survival, but we do not evolved for taming horses (this is only done a few milennia ago). Learning to driving a car is now good for survival, but we don´t evolved for that. even the invention of the arrow and t

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Sebastiaan Visser
On Mar 28, 2010, at 10:44 PM, Christopher Done wrote: > This is a post about re-designing the whole Haskell web site. > > We got a new logo but didn't really take it any further. For a while there's > been talk about a new design for the Haskell web site, and there are loads of > web pages about

Re: [Haskell-cafe] building "encoding" on Windows?

2010-03-29 Thread Andrew Coppin
wagne...@seas.upenn.edu wrote: Whooo, boy, I sure don't fancy explaining Msys/MinGW or Cygwin to a non-technical person and giving sufficiently detailed installation/usage instructions. I still dislike the idea of needing to install MSYS, MinGW, Cygwin or similar tools to get anything remotel

[Haskell-cafe] Haskell at Indian Universities?

2010-03-29 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, I was just about to name this thread “Are there any Indian Haskeller?” but since I want it to be read, I deemed that too risky... I’m a computer science student in Germany and I’d like to spend one semester as an exchange student in India. I have no specific plans yet where I want to go, and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread JC Petkovich
This is still alive? Haskell is clearly no longer the topic here, it should be moved elsewhere imo. JC Petkovich On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Jason Dusek wrote: > 2010/03/29 Jason Dusek : >> What are you attributing to men... > >   s/are you/you are/ > > -- > Jason Dusek > _

Re: [Haskell-cafe] building "encoding" on Windows?

2010-03-29 Thread wagnerdm
Quoting Stephen Tetley : This is actually due to a missing header file included *by* system_encoding.h rather than Cabal not finding system_encoding.h. It took to me a while to spot that one! [note to self - always check for this in future]. The missing header is - where it originates I don't

Re: [Haskell-cafe] building "encoding" on Windows?

2010-03-29 Thread Stephen Tetley
Hello Building this on widows might be a bit of a challenge... Generally I'd be advise building with "runhaskell Setup.hs ..." from MinGW, the first step of which would be something like: > runhaskell Setup.hs configure > --extra-include-dirs=C:\\msys\\1.0\\home\\stephen\\encoding-0.6.3 > --ex

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Edward Kmett
The main issue I would have with the site design proposed here is that the "Download Haskell" link that is currently fairly prominent on the page gets shuffled off into oblivion in the footer. However, overall, I think it serves as a good starting point for discussion. -Edward Kmett On Sun, Mar 2

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Programming with categories

2010-03-29 Thread Edward Kmett
One place to start might be category-extras on hackage, which covers a wide array of category theoretic constructs at least as they pertain to the category of Haskell types. http://hackage.haskell.org/package/category-extras There is also Sjoerd Visscher's data-category: http://hackage.haskell.o

[Haskell-cafe] building "encoding" on Windows?

2010-03-29 Thread wagnerdm
I'm trying to help a non-Haskell person build wyvern (shameless plug in case you like go: http://dmwit.com/wyvern), but (s)he's having trouble building the "encoding" library. Has any Windows person done it successfully or is willing to try it? I tried contacting the "encoding" maintainer a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Christopher Done
On 29 March 2010 16:16, Sean Leather wrote: > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 16:24, Simon Marlow wrote: >> IMHO, these aren't compelling reasons.  Note that already on your page >> there is an inconsistency between the tabs at the top and the headings at >> the bottom: I don't know where to look to find

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread Jason Dusek
2010/03/29 Jason Dusek : > What are you attributing to men... s/are you/you are/ -- Jason Dusek ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread Jason Dusek
2010/03/29 Alberto G. Corona : > [...] What we evolved with is a general hability: to play with > things to achieve what we need from them, (besides other > abilities). The pleasure to acheve ends by using available > means. [...]  A tool is someting used to solve a class of > problems. It does not

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Garbage collecting pointers

2010-03-29 Thread Edward Kmett
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Simon Marlow wrote: > On 26/03/2010 20:28, Mads Lindstrøm wrote: > >> Hi >> >> For some time I have been thinking about an idea, which could limit >> Haskell's memory footprint. I don't know if the idea is crazy or clever, >> but I would love to hear peoples thou

Re: [Haskell-cafe] my gsoc project topic

2010-03-29 Thread Max Bolingbroke
On 29 March 2010 14:01, Csaba Hruska wrote: > Hi! > - Another LLVM related idea is to create a framework to support writing llvm > passes in haskell, this should be based on existing llvm haskell binding. This is a cool idea! For bonus points, you could provide a binding to the new version of th

Re: [Haskell-cafe] swf flv decoder in haskell

2010-03-29 Thread Max Bolingbroke
I have a project called hswf which provides a Haskell library for roundtripping (i.e. encode . decode and decode . encode are morally equal to the identity function) SWF files. The source is available at http://github.com/batterseapower/hswf/. You are welcome to try it out if it looks useful, with

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread Alberto G. Corona
math is not a single hability. topology is not the same than algebra. multiply two numbers or solving an integral by means of a known algoritm has nothing in common with finding the solution to a mathematical problem that is unknown forr the person. Spatial reasoning is not the same than appliying

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Garbage collecting pointers

2010-03-29 Thread Simon Marlow
On 26/03/2010 20:28, Mads Lindstrøm wrote: Hi For some time I have been thinking about an idea, which could limit Haskell's memory footprint. I don't know if the idea is crazy or clever, but I would love to hear peoples thoughts about it. The short story is, I propose that the garbage collector

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread Steve Schafer
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:32:57 +0200, you wrote: >What's evil in being different? The point is that people use _generic_ differences as a rationale for discrimination against _individuals_. For example, in the US, it has, until recently, been used as an argument against female firefighters, because

Fwd: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread Alberto G. Corona
What's evil in being different? I only see here a form of discrimination that i can label as inherentely sexist and/elitist/or racist: the assumption that certain habilities, the normally associated historically whith men are worth to have and good, and whoever hasn´t them is worth to be discrimi

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread Jeff Heard
The Wisconsin study, which was done in the 1980s and then redone last year is the primary source for that, and it presents data that there is no real difference between women and men in math ability. The only *statistically* significant (bold because significant is a technical term, not a term den

[Haskell-cafe] swf flv decoder in haskell

2010-03-29 Thread Louis Plissonneau
Hi, I have to add some monitoring functions to a shockwave/flash decoder: to precisely evaluate the play buffer (the bar showing download information when you watch a YouTube video for example). I wanted to go for either swfdec or gnash, but as I enjoy Haskell so much, I wonder if there is some o

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2010/3/27 wren ng thornton > Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> because math abilities are not a -primary- reason for survival. >> Tools engineering and mastering is. >> > > Do not be misled by the fact that CS departments are often lumped in with > engineering. For that matter, do not be misled by

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Sean Leather
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 16:24, Simon Marlow wrote: > On 29/03/2010 13:20, Christopher Done wrote: > >> On 29 March 2010 11:19, Simon Marlow wrote: >> >>> Is the footer necessary? I dislike sites that have too many ways to >>> navigate, and the footer looks superfluous. The footer will probably

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread Steve Schafer
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:38:49 -0700, you wrote: > * The difference between genders is smaller than the difference between >individuals If only people would understand and accept the near-universality of this: "The difference between and is smaller than the difference between individuals." -St

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread Eugene Kirpichov
>From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_intelligence In a 2008 study[19] paid for by the National Science Foundation in the United States, researchers found that "girls perform as well as boys on standardized math tests. Although 20 years ago, high school boys performed better than gi

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Are there any female Haskellers?

2010-03-29 Thread Alberto G. Corona
> IQ tests, for example. google it. > > 2010/3/28 Jochem Berndsen > > Alberto G. Corona wrote: >> > The reasons for the sexual differences in mathematical abilities are >> > different, because math abilities are not a -primary- reason for >> > survival. Tools engineering and mastering is. If th

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Simon Marlow
On 29/03/2010 13:20, Christopher Done wrote: On 29 March 2010 11:19, Simon Marlow wrote: Is the footer necessary? I dislike sites that have too many ways to navigate, and the footer looks superfluous. The footer will probably be off the bottom of the window in any case, which reduces its usef

[Haskell-cafe] ANNOUNCE: Haskelloids

2010-03-29 Thread mrehayden
Haskelloids 0.1.0 has just been uploaded to HackageDB, It's a reasonably faithful (but incomplete) reproduction of the Atari classic, written mostly in the Yampa framework. See the wiki for screenshots. Wikipage: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskelloids HackageBD: http://hackage.haske

Re: [Haskell-cafe] my gsoc project topic

2010-03-29 Thread Edward Kmett
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Csaba Hruska wrote: > I'm wondering about the topic of my gsoc project. [..] > I'm interested in these areas: > - improving cabal (more sophisticated dependency, multi version, compiler > support, etc) [..] > I like the idea of improving cabal, and one can defini

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Graphical representation of Haskell code

2010-03-29 Thread Miguel Vilaca
Hi, For Reekie's Visual Haskell, see http://ptolemy.eecs.berkeley.edu/~johnr/papers/visual.html Also take a look on the CAL language (http://openquark.org/Open_Quark/Welcome.html "Welcome to the (...) Open Quark Framework for Java, and the lazy functional language CAL." AFAIK, the CAL language

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Domains and Co-Domains

2010-03-29 Thread Günther Schmidt
Hello Alp, thanks for explaining. As so often things become obvious in hindsight :) Günther Am 29.03.10 15:16, schrieb Alp Mestanogullari: a -> b -> c is a -> (b -> c) domain : a codomain : b -> c (which is a valid Haskell type, of the functions from b to c) 2010/3/29 Günther Schmidt mailto

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Domains and Co-Domains

2010-03-29 Thread Alp Mestanogullari
a -> b -> c is a -> (b -> c) domain : a codomain : b -> c (which is a valid Haskell type, of the functions from b to c) 2010/3/29 Günther Schmidt > Hi, > > I can easily see how one identifies the domain and co-domain of a unary > function. > > How would the domain of a function be expressed that

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Domains and Co-Domains

2010-03-29 Thread Derek Elkins
2010/3/29 Günther Schmidt : > Hi, > > I can easily see how one identifies the domain and co-domain of a unary > function. > > How would the domain of a function be expressed that takes more than one > argument and arguments of different type? All functions in Haskell are unary. ___

[Haskell-cafe] my gsoc project topic

2010-03-29 Thread Csaba Hruska
Hi! I'm wondering about the topic of my gsoc project. I'm interested in these areas: - improving cabal (more sophisticated dependency, multi version, compiler support, etc) This could be useful from practical view. - Another idea is to improve GHC's new LLVM backend. (eg: support cross module

[Haskell-cafe] Domains and Co-Domains

2010-03-29 Thread Günther Schmidt
Hi, I can easily see how one identifies the domain and co-domain of a unary function. How would the domain of a function be expressed that takes more than one argument and arguments of different type? Günther ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskel

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Christopher Done
On 29 March 2010 11:19, Simon Marlow wrote: > Is the footer necessary?  I dislike sites that have too many ways to > navigate, and the footer looks superfluous.  The footer will probably be off > the bottom of the window in any case, which reduces its usefulness as a > navigation tool. Footer nav

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Asynchronous exception wormholes kill modularity

2010-03-29 Thread Andy Stewart
Simon Marlow writes: > On 26/03/2010 19:51, Isaac Dupree wrote: >> On 03/25/10 12:36, Simon Marlow wrote: >>> I'd also be amenable to having block/unblock count nesting levels >>> instead, I don't think it would be too hard to implement and it wouldn't >>> require any changes at the library level

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC vs GCC vs JHC

2010-03-29 Thread Roman Leshchinskiy
On 29/03/2010, at 02:27, Lennart Augustsson wrote: > Does anything change if you swap the first two rhss? No, not as far as I can tell. > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Roman Leshchinskiy > wrote: >> On 28/03/2010, at 09:47, Lennart Augustsson wrote: >> >>> It's important to switch from

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Asynchronous exception wormholes kill modularity

2010-03-29 Thread Simon Marlow
On 26/03/2010 19:51, Isaac Dupree wrote: On 03/25/10 12:36, Simon Marlow wrote: I'd also be amenable to having block/unblock count nesting levels instead, I don't think it would be too hard to implement and it wouldn't require any changes at the library level. Wasn't there a reason that it did

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Simon Marlow
On 28/03/2010 21:44, Christopher Done wrote: This is a post about re-designing the whole Haskell web site. We got a new logo but didn't really take it any further. For a while there's been talk about a new design for the Haskell web site, and there are loads of web pages about Haskell that don't

[Haskell-cafe] Programming with categories

2010-03-29 Thread Francisco Vieira de Souza
Hi Haskell-cafe. I'm trying to use Haskell to program with Categories, but I didn't have seeing some works in this area nor references about this. Does someone can help me ins this subject? Thanks in advance, Vieira -- "Para saber quantos amigos você tem, dê uma festa. 'Para saber a qualidade del

Re: [Haskell-cafe] parsec and multiple simultaneous token types

2010-03-29 Thread Stephen Tetley
Hi Jeremy Have you considered rolling your own parser? If you don't want say the expression parser or the language defs, quite a bit of Parsec's machinery is now standard-ish. For instance, most of the combinators in Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Combinator are general control operators and can b

[Haskell-cafe] open positions for functional programmers

2010-03-29 Thread Regis Saint-Paul
Dear Haskell-cafe, CREATE-NET, a research center located in Trento, Italy, is hiring two functional programmers for web application development. Proficiency in at least one functional programming language (Haskell, LIPS, CAML, ...) is required, as well as willingness to work on application de