Re: [Haskell-cafe] A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-18 Thread Henning Thielemann
Jeremy Shaw schrieb: > So, we are left with the (rather large?) group of people who do not > know what Haskell is and probably do not really know what 'statically > typed' or 'purely functional' really mean. In fact, I think that most > non-haskell/ocaml/etc programmers view 'statically typed' as

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-17 Thread Jeremy Shaw
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:02 AM, Stephen Tetley wrote: > > If a "functional language" doesn't mean anything significant then > Haskell probably isn't the language you should be choosing. People who don't know what 'functional language' means can still get all the benefits of functional programmin

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-17 Thread Henning Thielemann
Ketil Malde schrieb: > Don Stewart writes: > >>> Good start, if only the "advanced" were replaced with something more >>> characteristic, like "lazy", or "statically typed". Which, BTW, both do not > >> "lazy" and "statically typed" don't mean much to other people. They are >> buzz words that me

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread Ketil Malde
Don Stewart writes: >> Good start, if only the "advanced" were replaced with something more >> characteristic, like "lazy", or "statically typed". Which, BTW, both do not > "lazy" and "statically typed" don't mean much to other people. They are > buzz words that mean nothing to many people. But

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread Andrew Coppin
On 16/10/2010 09:02 AM, Stephen Tetley wrote: On 16 October 2010 08:09, Colin Paul Adams wrote: And "purely functional programming language"? If they mean anything to many people, it's that the language works (i.e. functions). What language wouldn't work? I think Ben has a strong point here

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread Christopher Done
On 16 October 2010 05:52, Ben Franksen wrote: > what marketing idiot has written this inclonclusive mumble-jumble of > buzz-words? > [...] > How can anyone write such a > nonsense? Haskell is not an "open source product"! > [...] > I am ashamed that it appears on the front page of my favourite >

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread Stephen Tetley
On 16 October 2010 09:02, Stephen Tetley wrote: > On the main topic - I think the blurb is fine. If Python and Ruby want > to do proselytization and value judgements please leave them to it. PS - Were it me, I would drop the third sentence of the Haskell.org blurb, to me it is a value judgement

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread Stephen Tetley
On 16 October 2010 08:09, Colin Paul Adams wrote: > And "purely functional programming language"? > > If they mean anything to many people, it's that the language works > (i.e. functions). What language wouldn't work? > > I think Ben has a strong point here. If a "functional language" doesn't me

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Don" == Don Stewart writes: >> Let me explain. >> >> "Haskell is an advanced purely functional programming language." >> >> Good start, if only the "advanced" were replaced with something >> more characteristic, like "lazy", or "statically typed". Which, >> BT

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-15 Thread Donn Cave
Quoth Ben Franksen , > Enough. I think I have made my point. Yes, though possibly a little overstated it. While it's easy to share your distaste for the blurb, if you take a generous attitude towards it, most of it is "true enough." The implementation specific features are at least widely avail

Re: [Haskell-cafe] A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-15 Thread Don Stewart
Great! It's a Friday. Why not step in. Just some context, since the current blurb was born from a critique at CUFP 2007, prior to which the Haskell blurb was: "Haskell is a general purpose, purely functional programming language. Haskell compilers are freely available for almost any c

[Haskell-cafe] A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-15 Thread Ben Franksen
This is a critique of the current 'Haskell Blurb', the first paragraph on www.haskell.org. This blurb should, IMO, give a concise description of what Haskell, the programming language, is, what makes it different from other languages, and why I should be interested in it. What it does, instead, i