[Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs Clean (speed comparison)

2009-05-03 Thread Daniel Carrera
Hi, I think the mail server may have been acting up earlier. I sent this to Haskell-beginners, but it more properly belongs here. I found something interesting. General wisdom is that Clean (or OCaml) is faster than Haskell. The claim is often followed by a link to the Debian shootout. But

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs Clean (speed comparison)

2009-05-03 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Daniel Carrera daniel.carr...@theingots.org wrote: Hi, I think the mail server may have been acting up earlier. I sent this to Haskell-beginners, but it more properly belongs here. I found something interesting. General wisdom is that Clean (or OCaml) is

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs Clean (speed comparison)

2009-05-03 Thread Daniel Carrera
Gwern Branwen wrote: Perhaps it's just that no one has parallelized the Clean programs? Haskellers seem to care about the shootout programs much more than Cleaners do. I'm not sure about the second comment. I haven't seen the Haskell site mention the shootout, whereas web pages about Clean

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs Clean (speed comparison)

2009-05-03 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Daniel, Sunday, May 3, 2009, 10:24:52 PM, you wrote: 32-bit sing core [1]: Lisp, Fortran :) this test measures speed of some programs, not languages. results are depends mainly on bundled libraries and RTS. by no means it demonstrates speed of compiler-generated code of

Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs Clean (speed comparison)

2009-05-03 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Gwern, Sunday, May 3, 2009, 10:29:37 PM, you wrote: 32-bit quad-core [2]: Haskell, C# Mono, Lisp, Clean, Fortran. I can't really read Clean, but it certainly looks as if it's making no use of concurrency at all, while the Haskell one most certainly is. probably other languages goes

Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs Clean (speed comparison)

2009-05-03 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Daniel, Sunday, May 3, 2009, 10:42:06 PM, you wrote: I'm not sure about the second comment. I haven't seen the Haskell site mention the shootout just search cafe archives ;) -- Best regards, Bulatmailto:bulat.zigans...@gmail.com

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs Clean (speed comparison)

2009-05-03 Thread Daniel Carrera
Bulat Ziganshin wrote: 32-bit sing core [1]: Lisp, Fortran :) this test measures speed of some programs, not languages. I know. But since I know that you know that too, I opted for brevity. How can we benchmark a programming language? We can't - we benchmark programming language

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs Clean (speed comparison)

2009-05-03 Thread Thomas DuBuisson
I haven't seen the Haskell site mention the shootout, whereas web pages about Clean often do. Well, there certainly has been significant efforts on the shootout in the Haskell community. There's wiki pages about it [1] and it comes up on the Haskell reddit and proggit frequently. With

[Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs Clean

2006-01-04 Thread Daniel Carrera
Hi all, How would you compare Haskell and Clean? It looks like they are both pure functional languages with very similar syntax. It also appears that Clean is faster than Haskell, it appears to be fairly fast. I'm curious to learn about relative advantages and disadvantages of each. Thanks