Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-05-04 Thread John Meacham
ghc is in fedora extras, all you needed to do to install it is ; yum -y install ghc just like you would install most everything on a fedora system. John -- John Meacham - ⑆repetae.net⑆john⑈ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org h

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-30 Thread Michael T. Richter
On Mon, 2007-30-04 at 18:35 -0700, brad clawsie wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:53:06PM +0100, Andrew Coppin wrote: > > brad clawsie wrote: > > > installing a modern linux on this box is a thirty minute exercise. > > > > Ah - a volunteer! :-) > > absolutely! for the low cost of one round-tr

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-30 Thread brad clawsie
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 09:53:06PM +0100, Andrew Coppin wrote: > brad clawsie wrote: > > installing a modern linux on this box is a thirty minute exercise. > > Ah - a volunteer! :-) absolutely! for the low cost of one round-trip business-class seat from san jose to wherever this box is, and i wi

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-30 Thread Andrew Coppin
brad clawsie wrote: installing a modern linux on this box is a thirty minute exercise. Ah - a volunteer! :-) ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-30 Thread brad clawsie
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 08:26:35PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Actually some sources recommend to just symlink libreadline.so.4 to > libreadline.so.5. I haven't tried, but since version 5 is supposed to > be upwards compatible to version 4 it's reasonable to expect that it > works (to a ce

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-30 Thread ls-haskell-developer-2006
brad clawsie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> 4) The fix to the "bug" is simply download and install the libreadline4 >> shared object. No recompilation or reinstallation necessary. > > i'm not sure if this has been addressed - but is there a specific > reason an older version of the readline l

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-30 Thread brad clawsie
> 4) The fix to the "bug" is simply download and install the libreadline4 > shared object. No recompilation or reinstallation necessary. i'm not sure if this has been addressed - but is there a specific reason an older version of the readline library is in use? v5 appears to be stable and has

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-30 Thread ls-haskell-developer-2006
> 5) The "gigantic README" with it's "obscure note" is here > http://www.haskell.org/ghc/download_ghc_661.html a few lines away from > the download link. You can probably read it in the time it takes you > to find and click the download link. Much quicker than waiting for a > configure script to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-29 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 4/29/07, David House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The fact remains that there is a bug in the build process (configure doesn't check for all the dependencies), and that users have fallen afoul of the bug, so it should be fixed, no matter how well the workaround is documented. -- -David House,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-29 Thread David House
On 29/04/07, Derek Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Much quicker than waiting for a configure script to detect the problem. The fact remains that there is a bug in the build process (configure doesn't check for all the dependencies), and that users have fallen afoul of the bug, so it should be

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-28 Thread Derek Elkins
Michael T. Richter wrote: On Fri, 2007-27-04 at 13:09 +0100, Robin Green wrote: > But just think about it... is it easier to DOCUMENT the problem or > just include a workaround in the make install code? It's easier to document the problem. For the individual developer it is easier to docume

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-28 Thread Michael T. Richter
On Fri, 2007-27-04 at 13:09 +0100, Robin Green wrote: > > But just think about it... is it easier to DOCUMENT the problem or > > just include a workaround in the make install code? > It's easier to document the problem. For the individual developer it is easier to document the problem. For t

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-28 Thread Stefan O'Rear
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:11:30PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On 4/27/07, Joe Re <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps you were installing by tarball because you thought Fedora > > doesn't have a recent version of ghc in their repositories? > > > Exactly. I saw the latest version was very r

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-28 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 4/27/07, Joe Re <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perhaps you were installing by tarball because you thought Fedora doesn't have a recent version of ghc in their repositories? Exactly. I saw the latest version was very recent, didn't think any FC6 repos woudl have it. As a matter of fact I wasn'

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-28 Thread ls-haskell-developer-2006
Miles Sabin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dougal Stanton wrote, >> I'd guess there should be a way to get the libreadline4 installed >> from your package manager. Something like "sudo yum install >> libreadline4" maybe? I don't use FC myself, so can't help further. > > It's even easier than that

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread Joe Re
On 4/27/07, Fernando Cassia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I admit in shame never having heard about Haskell before. I know about PHP, Python, IBM' s REXX, TCL, TCL/TK, perl... but Haskell, never. So, here's how I landed in Haskell-land: I was looking for a simple ncurses-based text mode mp3 player

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread brad clawsie
> I think it's unfair to blame GHC for not having readline; the website does > indeed tell you about readline: > > http://www.haskell.org/ghc/download_ghc_661.html > > Check out the paragraph under "Linux (x86)". shouldn't library dependency checking be done in the ./configure script? __

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread Robin Green
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:00:26 -0300 "Fernando Cassia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But just think about it... is it easier to DOCUMENT the problem or > just include a workaround in the make install code? It's easier to document the problem. > IF {library not available} then > echo "you need to ge

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread Alex Queiroz
Hallo, On 4/27/07, Fernando Cassia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Goodbye Haskell, I just wanted to compile a MP3 player, and perhaps if the compiler installed OK with no issues, I'd have taken a look at the language. But as of right now, I don't have time to waste with broken compiler installers.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread Fernando Cassia
Of course I meant friendliness. Consider English is not my native language. ;) FC On 4/27/07, Fernando Cassia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: situations like this where developers spend more time documenting the problem rather than fixing it with some user-friendlyness in the install script. Again

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread Spencer Janssen
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:28:48 -0300 "Fernando Cassia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I admit in shame never having heard about Haskell before. I know > about PHP, Python, IBM' s REXX, TCL, TCL/TK, perl... but Haskell, > never. > > So, here's how I landed in Haskell-land: I was looking for a simple >

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 4/27/07, C.M.Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wow! Such a bitter response! All you need to do is install readline, found here: http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/readline/rltop.html I think it's unfair to blame GHC for not having readline; the website does indeed tell you about readline:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread Ketil Malde
On Fri, 2007-04-27 at 06:28 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > So I follow the directions Which directions are those? If they somehow tell users of Fedora to download tarballs, they should be rectified to instruct users to 'yum install ghc' instead. > So, I conclude that Haskell is not ready for

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread Miles Sabin
Dougal Stanton wrote, > I'd guess there should be a way to get the libreadline4 installed > from your package manager. Something like "sudo yum install > libreadline4" maybe? I don't use FC myself, so can't help further. It's even easier than that ... on Fedora Core 6 all he had to do was, yum

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread C.M.Brown
Hi Fernando, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ghc-6.6.1]# ghc > /usr/local/lib/ghc-6.6.1/ghc-6.6.1: error while loading shared libraries: > libreadline.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > # > > So, I conclude that Haskell is not ready for prime time, if it cannot > install itself

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread Daniel McAllansmith
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fedora+haskell+libreadline.so.4&btnG=Search&meta= gives: http://www.nabble.com/-Haskell--Re:-kernel-2.6.11-and-readline.so-t577156.html as the first result, which appears to give a solution and, in fact, if I look at: http://haskell.org/ghc/download_ghc_

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread Dougal Stanton
On 27/04/07, Fernando Cassia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ghc-6.6.1]# ghc /usr/local/lib/ghc-6.6.1/ghc-6.6.1: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory # So, I conclude that Haskell is not ready for prim

[Haskell-cafe] Poor first impression

2007-04-27 Thread Fernando Cassia
I admit in shame never having heard about Haskell before. I know about PHP, Python, IBM' s REXX, TCL, TCL/TK, perl... but Haskell, never. So, here's how I landed in Haskell-land: I was looking for a simple ncurses-based text mode mp3 player with some sort of basic GUI and found "HMP3" written in,