Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-04 Thread Andrzej Jaworski
This is interesting. I am always looking for new ideas in GUI design. Could you elaborate on this? Do you have examples of where this has been successful? Successful: quantitative finance and trading. Productive: unifying and scaling up from simple tools -Andrzej __

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-04 Thread aditya siram
DSL > shold be user-specific > knoledge discovery (bidirectionally)though transferable as skill. This is interesting. I am always looking for new ideas in GUI design. Could you elaborate on this? Do you have examples of where this has been successful? -deech ___

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-04 Thread Andrzej Jaworski
aditya siram wrote: And a badly-designed DSL is also everybody's worst enemy. Also a traditional GUI is discoverable without a user-manual. I am glad you mentioned that. Perhaps I did not emphasised enough that DSL shold be user-specific knoledge discovery (bidirectionally)though transferable

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-04 Thread aditya siram
> (3) conceptually rich DSL is your best friend as human-computer interface. I agree that a well-designed DSL is *my* best friend but I suspect it would be my grandma's worst enemy. And a badly-designed DSL is also everybody's worst enemy. Also a traditional GUI is discoverable without a user-manu

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-04 Thread Andrzej Jaworski
Hello Wisecrackers, Cannot resist shering with you my perspective. Computer is a logic device and logic builds complexity bottom up while graphics builds it top down. They are therefore antagonistic by nature and in the single case of their glorious interplay - The Euclidean Geometry - it block

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-03 Thread Peter Hercek
On 04/02/2010 10:15 PM, Dominic Espinosa wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 06:11:52PM +0100, Stephen Tetley wrote: On 2 April 2010 17:53, Dominic Espinosa wrote: I ended up rewriting it in another language (due to time pressure) and I'm a little wary of attempting to use Haskell again for develo

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-03 Thread Heinrich Apfelmus
Rafael Cunha de Almeida wrote: > When using haskell, can't you just make a static binary on MacOS and Windows, > though? Why wouldn't that work? On MacOS, you would have to relocate the shared gtk2hs libraries and bundle them with the application. It's actually easiest to exorcise the paths from t

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-03 Thread Heinrich Apfelmus
Thomas Schilling wrote: > Haskeller's certainly aren't GUI-haters! It's just difficult in > general to write cross-platform GUIs. The goal *is* to put gtk2hs > into the platform, but in order to do that, it needs to be buildable > using Cabal. The limiting factor is time, not motivation. Well,

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-03 Thread Heinrich Apfelmus
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > David Leimbach wrote: >> Having said that, are there any plans to make it really easy to get >> gtk2hs working on Mac OS X? > > > It's in MacPorts. Which doesn't necessarily make it easier. Took me 2 full days to install gtk and it's still crashing a lot more th

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread Evan Laforge
This may not be helpful for you, but when I did GUI stuff with haskell I wrote the GUI part in c++ with fltk, exposed a medium-level api specific to that gui, and then call that api through the FFI. This is sort of like the web browser + backend thing, except switch c++ and fltk for javascript and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread Dominic Espinosa
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 06:11:52PM +0100, Stephen Tetley wrote: > On 2 April 2010 17:53, Dominic Espinosa wrote: > > [SNIP] > > > I ended up rewriting it in another language (due to time > > pressure) and I'm a little wary of attempting to use Haskell again for > > developing such an application

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread Thomas Davie
On 2 Apr 2010, at 21:01, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > On Apr 2, 2010, at 15:21 , Thomas Schilling wrote: >> On 2 April 2010 20:15, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: >>> On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:41 , David Leimbach wrote: >>> Having said that, are there any plans to make it really easy to get gtk

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Apr 2, 2010, at 15:21 , Thomas Schilling wrote: On 2 April 2010 20:15, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:41 , David Leimbach wrote: Having said that, are there any plans to make it really easy to get gtk2hs working on Mac OS X? It's in MacPorts. But that's the vari

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Anthony Cowley wrote: > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Dominic Espinosa > wrote: > > Is there a general strategy for deploying Haskell apps, graphical or no, > > to MacOS X and/or Windows? I'm especially interested in cases where the > > application uses some he

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Apr 2, 2010, at 15:21 , Thomas Schilling wrote: On 2 April 2010 20:15, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:41 , David Leimbach wrote: Having said that, are there any plans to make it really easy to get gtk2hs working on Mac OS X? It's in MacPorts. But that's the vari

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread Thomas Schilling
On 2 April 2010 20:15, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:41 , David Leimbach wrote: > > Having said that, are there any plans to make it really easy to get gtk2hs > working on Mac OS X? > > It's in MacPorts. But that's the variant using X11, no? There now is a Gtk+ framewor

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:41 , David Leimbach wrote: Having said that, are there any plans to make it really easy to get gtk2hs working on Mac OS X? It's in MacPorts. -- brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl,pugs,haskell] allb...@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats]

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread Rafael Cunha de Almeida
Stephen Tetley disse: > On 2 April 2010 17:53, Dominic Espinosa wrote: > > [SNIP] > >> I ended up rewriting it in another language (due to time >> pressure) and I'm a little wary of attempting to use Haskell again for >> developing such an application. > > Hi Dominic > > Out of curiosity what lan

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread Anthony Cowley
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Dominic Espinosa wrote: > Is there a general strategy for deploying Haskell apps, graphical or no, > to MacOS X and/or Windows? I'm especially interested in cases where the > application uses some heavyweight libraries like OpenGL. I have a GUI app that I deploy o

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread Stephen Tetley
On 2 April 2010 17:53, Dominic Espinosa wrote: [SNIP] > I ended up rewriting it in another language (due to time > pressure) and I'm a little wary of attempting to use Haskell again for > developing such an application. Hi Dominic Out of curiosity what language did you choose instead? Each ti

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread Dominic Espinosa
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 07:41:38AM -0700, David Leimbach wrote: >Having said that, are there any plans to make it really easy to get gtk2hs >working on Mac OS X? I think this is an important issue in developing run-of-the-mill GUI apps in Haskell. I recently wrote a small application using

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread David Leimbach
Never been a fan of GTK myself, but that's because I was a KDE developer I guess :-). Having said that, are there any plans to make it really easy to get gtk2hs working on Mac OS X? Dave On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Andy Stewart wrote: > Hi Jürgen, > > For GHC-6.12, just darcs version suppor

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskellers hate GUIs!!

2010-04-02 Thread Andy Stewart
Hi Jürgen, For GHC-6.12, just darcs version support. So please download darcs version. Axel has working on that make gtk2hs build on cabal. And i'm working on update All gtk2hs API to Gtk+ 2.18.3 (have finish 99%), i can finish all APIs in later days. Axel have finish some sub-modules on http: