On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:30 AM, C. McCann c...@uptoisomorphism.net wrote:
The better question is when do the benefits of static typing outweigh
the costs imposed?. If you're using Java, the answer is probably
never, but even in Haskell I don't think the answer is quite
always.
I have half a
Evan Laforge wrote:
I used to get annoyed about all the java boilerplate and awkwardness.
But then I learned that if I relax and stop thinking so much about the
aesthetics of what I'm writing, I can just let my fingers go on typing
without having to think too much.
:-) A good Java IDE will
Pete Chown 1...@234.cx writes:
One thing I'm curious about is Haskell versus Python or Ruby. Code in
those languages is, IMO, prone to type related bugs because there is
no compile-time checking. On the other hand, I would expect the
density' of the code to be similar to Haskell. You can
On Friday 18 June 2010 12:31:26, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote:
Pete Chown 1...@234.cx writes:
One thing I'm curious about is Haskell versus Python or Ruby. Code in
those languages is, IMO, prone to type related bugs because there is
no compile-time checking. On the other hand, I would
Daniel Fischer daniel.is.fisc...@web.de writes:
On Friday 18 June 2010 12:31:26, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote:
Pete Chown 1...@234.cx writes:
One thing I'm curious about is Haskell versus Python or Ruby. Code in
those languages is, IMO, prone to type related bugs because there is
no
Edward Z. Yang wrote:
Excerpts from Paul Lotti's message of Thu Jun 17 15:33:30 -0400 2010:
Same feelings here. I work in a company that uses C++/Java and the best I could
manage was to use Haskell for prototyping and then deliver in Java. This worked
out twice so far. The downside is having
The fast write-only way:
- generate C code with JHC (no haskell runtime)
- use a C-to-java converter , for example, c2j (http://www.novosoft-us.com)
At least you can laugh at the generated code.
anyone tried that?
Alberto
2010/6/18 wren ng thornton w...@freegeek.org:
Edward Z. Yang wrote:
Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com writes:
The fast write-only way:
- generate C code with JHC (no haskell runtime)
- use a C-to-java converter , for example, c2j (http://www.novosoft-us.com)
At least you can laugh at the generated code.
Laugh? Really? Aren't you more likely to cry
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Daniel Fischer
daniel.is.fisc...@web.de wrote:
Haven't you heard? Enough unit tests give you almost the same security
as a good static type system at the expense of more code!
Uh, wait, why is that an advantage again? :p
Duh, because it's much faster to
C. McCann c...@uptoisomorphism.net writes:
That's... not really fair. A static type system DOES impose
limitations, and arguing with the compiler about whether some code is
acceptable does take time. Even a handful of simple unit tests will
catch the majority of possible errors, and things
On Jun 18, 10:37 am, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com
wrote:
C. McCann c...@uptoisomorphism.net writes:
I've seen a lot of people claim that there are cases where it's
easier/better to use dynamic typing than even Haskell-style static
typing, but have never been given an example
Excerpts from braver's message of Fri Jun 18 12:55:24 -0400 2010:
So when your problem is open-ended and the shape of data is in flux, a
dynamic language is faster to prototype.
I think I can second this comment. However, I would still prefer Haskel
for a system intended for production; with
On Jun 18, 12:59 pm, Edward Z. Yang ezy...@mit.edu wrote:
... I would still prefer Haskel
for a system intended for production; with the pain of making sure you've
handled all of the possible constructors for the data you're operating
on, you also have a pretty good assurance that you haven't
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Edward Z. Yang ezy...@mit.edu wrote:
I think I can second this comment.
I'm inclined to disagree. It's precisely when the code is in a state of
constant upheaval that I want the type system to be pointing out my dumb
errors.
Excerpts from Bryan O'Sullivan's message of Fri Jun 18 13:16:58 -0400 2010:
I'm inclined to disagree. It's precisely when the code is in a state of
constant upheaval that I want the type system to be pointing out my dumb
errors.
In my experience, the type system has forced me to care about
Edward Z. Yang ezy...@mit.edu writes:
Excerpts from Bryan O'Sullivan's message of Fri Jun 18 13:16:58 -0400 2010:
I'm inclined to disagree. It's precisely when the code is in a state of
constant upheaval that I want the type system to be pointing out my dumb
errors.
In my experience, the
I've written code with less bugs in Haskell than any other language
I've used. And that's a credit to GHC and not because I'm a great
programmer.
But I still don't know how to deal with the situation where you don't
have a clear picture of your data or heterogenous data that you are
wrapping up
One way to avoid explicit, per-type unmarshalling is to use the
existentialquantification extension to make a box type that you can
store in a map, thus producing a heterogenous map of any types (with
constraints).
Cheers.
~Liam
On 19 June 2010 04:08, aditya siram aditya.si...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're willing to use Haskell as a synonym for FP of sorts, you
can now get cool jobs writing Scala -- e.g. Sony uses it to manage all
of their disk farms; Clojure is awesome, although very different
(dynamic and macro); and Jane Street is always hiring in New York,
London and Tokyo doing
Another way to be happy is to get a family to support, then any idea
of making a quick pfennig with C# and then luxuriating in Rio with a
laptop full of Haskell will only work if your company goes public! :)
-- Alexy
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Günther Schmidt gue.schmidt at web.de writes:
So how does one get off haskell? Are there people in similar situations
that have managed? How did you do it?
Günther
Same feelings here. I work in a company that uses C++/Java and the best I could
manage was to use Haskell for
Excerpts from Paul Lotti's message of Thu Jun 17 15:33:30 -0400 2010:
Same feelings here. I work in a company that uses C++/Java and the best I
could
manage was to use Haskell for prototyping and then deliver in Java. This
worked
out twice so far. The downside is having to translate it
So how does one get off haskell? Are there people in similar situations
that have managed? How did you do it?
I used to get annoyed about all the java boilerplate and awkwardness.
But then I learned that if I relax and stop thinking so much about the
aesthetics of what I'm writing, I can just
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