[Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Achim Schneider
Jonathan Cast wrote: > I've been busy convincing myself I'm really trying to > replace TeX, instead. After all, TeX is clearly a much less adequate > programming language... > That's brilliant. OTOH, remember Oedipus, who, by attempting to avoid hubris, got caught right in it. (The old Greeks

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Cast
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 22:34 -0500, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > There's something I'm missing in all of this. > > Perl is in the process of rebooting itself (perl6 is syntactically > very different from perl5; the closest it's ever previously gotten to > this kind of radical change was th

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
There's something I'm missing in all of this. Perl is in the process of rebooting itself (perl6 is syntactically very different from perl5; the closest it's ever previously gotten to this kind of radical change was the change from ' to :: as the package separator). Perl5 will continue to e

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Cast
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 00:04 +0100, Achim Schneider wrote: > Jonathan Cast wrote: > > (I am actually writing my own language; > > when I get something usable for real work, I may very well just plain > > un-subscribe from haskell-cafe, even though I will continue using > > Haskell for bootstrapping

[Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Achim Schneider
Jonathan Cast wrote: > (I am actually writing my own language; > when I get something usable for real work, I may very well just plain > un-subscribe from haskell-cafe, even though I will continue using > Haskell for bootstrapping for some time after that.) > /me is curious. And I'm wondering wh

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Cast
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 15:23 -0700, John A. De Goes wrote: > On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Jonathan Cast wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 13:25 -0700, John A. De Goes wrote: > >> No, I hate C and will never use it again in my entire life unless > >> forced to at the point of a gun. > > > > Why? Its

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread John A. De Goes
On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Jonathan Cast wrote: On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 13:25 -0700, John A. De Goes wrote: No, I hate C and will never use it again in my entire life unless forced to at the point of a gun. Why? Its libraries are far better, its editors are far better [1], its compilers ar

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Miguel Mitrofanov
Believe it or not, but I still edit Haskell sources with vi sometimes. My favorite Emacs doesn't work on iPhone. On 26 Feb 2009, at 23:18, John A. De Goes wrote: Are you saying has been no progress since K&R C in the number of libraries available to C programmers? And that C programmers st

[Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Achim Schneider
Jonathan Cast wrote: > IDEs are for losers > Hell is freezing over: I'm actually agreeing with an editor heretic. -- (c) this sig last receiving data processing entity. Inspect headers for copyright history. All rights reserved. Copying, hiring, renting, performance and/or quoting of this signa

[Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Achim Schneider
"John A. De Goes" wrote: > Are you saying has been no progress since K&R C in the number of > libraries available to C programmers? > I never did, I asked you to compare usability. If you want it in plain English, library semantics still suck, hell, there isn't even name spacing. > And that C

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Cast
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 13:25 -0700, John A. De Goes wrote: > No, I hate C and will never use it again in my entire life unless > forced to at the point of a gun. Why? Its libraries are far better, its editors are far better [1], its compilers are far better, its tool support is far better, it's

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread John A. De Goes
No, I hate C and will never use it again in my entire life unless forced to at the point of a gun. You're point? :-P Regards, John A. De Goes N-BRAIN, Inc. The Evolution of Collaboration http://www.n-brain.net|877-376-2724 x 101 On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jonathan Cast wrote:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Cast
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 13:18 -0700, John A. De Goes wrote: > Are you saying has been no progress since K&R C in the number of > libraries available to C programmers? And that C programmers still > have to edit files with vi and compile and link by specifying all > files on the command-line? >

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread John A. De Goes
Are you saying has been no progress since K&R C in the number of libraries available to C programmers? And that C programmers still have to edit files with vi and compile and link by specifying all files on the command-line? You may disagree, but the evidence points in the opposite direct

[Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Achim Schneider
"John A. De Goes" wrote: > What do you mean by "progress"? I noted before that there are > tradeoffs. Constraining the evolution of the language in backward > compatible ways leads to substantial improvements in tools, > libraries, and the speed of compiled code. That's progress in several >

[Haskell-cafe] Re: statep haskell-lang [was: Re: Hoogle and Network.Socket]

2009-02-26 Thread Achim Schneider
Achim Schneider wrote: > -calculus > PiSigma calculus, that is. I really shouldn't attempt to send unicode via US-ascii. -- (c) this sig last receiving data processing entity. Inspect headers for copyright history. All rights reserved. Copying, hiring, renting, performance and/or quoting of