Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-09 Thread Rustom Mody
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Doug McIlroy wrote: > > > Matlab exploits them heavily (though represented as doubles). > > > Not sure what you are referring to > > I had in mind Matlab's frequent use of a Boolean array as > a characteristic function describing some property of the > elements

Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-09 Thread Richard O'Keefe
On 10/12/2012, at 6:34 AM, Malcolm Wallace wrote: > > On 9 Dec 2012, at 16:31, Doug McIlroy wrote: > >> In fact the FP community came late to some of these, just as >> programming languages at large came late to garbage collection. >> >> Lazy evaluation--at the heart of spreadsheets since the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-09 Thread Doug McIlroy
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-09 Thread Doug McIlroy
> > Lazy evaluation--at the heart of spreadsheets since the beginning. > Never thought of that -- nice! Unfortunately it's not literally true, because spreadsheets push recalculated values to all the variables that depend on them, rather than waiting until the dependent values are needed. But t

Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-09 Thread Mike Meyer
Heinrich Apfelmus wrote: >Christopher Howard wrote: >Concerning a university education, there are two approaches> >1. I want to learn as much as possible >2. I want to learn just enough to get a high-paying job There's actually a third approach ( and probably more): 3. I want to learn to do th

Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-09 Thread Rustom Mody
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Malcolm Wallace wrote: > > On 9 Dec 2012, at 16:31, Doug McIlroy wrote: > > > In fact the FP community came late to some of these, just as > > programming languages at large came late to garbage collection. > > > > Lazy evaluation--at the heart of spreadsheets sinc

Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-09 Thread Malcolm Wallace
On 9 Dec 2012, at 16:31, Doug McIlroy wrote: > In fact the FP community came late to some of these, just as > programming languages at large came late to garbage collection. > > Lazy evaluation--at the heart of spreadsheets since the beginning. Lazy evaluation for the lambda calculus - 1971 (W

Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-09 Thread Rustom Mody
Thanks Doug for reminding me of points that I had forgotten (and which are new) I will insert them into the blog My comments inline On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Doug McIlroy wrote: > > Yes... CS academics delivers less than it could/should; > > and whatever this delivery is, its asymptotical

Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-09 Thread Doug McIlroy
> Yes... CS academics delivers less than it could/should; > and whatever this delivery is, its asymptotically sub-linear. > Some of it is to do with the not-quick-enough takeup of FP in academia, > though there are obviously many other factors as well. > http://blog.languager.org/2011/02/cs-educat

Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-09 Thread Heinrich Apfelmus
Christopher Howard wrote: I'm at something of a crossroads, and I'm hoping to get a bit of free career advice. I really enjoy programming with Haskell (and a few other exotic languages), and was hoping I could eventually make a living in that sort of field. Not rich and famous, necessarily, just

Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-08 Thread Rustom Mody
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Jerzy Karczmarczuk < jerzy.karczmarc...@unicaen.fr> wrote: > For me, opposing experience and education is simply silly. > > Probably more than 70% of all people would learn much faster on their own > than at school. But, learn WHAT? : > > 1. Probably less than 1% wo

Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-08 Thread Jerzy Karczmarczuk
Roman Cheplyaka comments a post by Christopher Howard: I'm trying to decide, however; should I go back to school, finish my B.S. and pursue a Masters in CompSci? Or would the time (and money) be better spent aggressively pursuing volunteer work for companies, hoping to eventually get the experien

Re: [Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-08 Thread Roman Cheplyaka
* Christopher Howard [2012-12-08 13:26:58-0900] > I'm at something of a crossroads, and I'm hoping to get a bit of free > career advice. I really enjoy programming with Haskell (and a few other > exotic languages), and was hoping I could eventually make a living in > that sort of field. Not rich

[Haskell-cafe] education or experience?

2012-12-08 Thread Christopher Howard
I'm at something of a crossroads, and I'm hoping to get a bit of free career advice. I really enjoy programming with Haskell (and a few other exotic languages), and was hoping I could eventually make a living in that sort of field. Not rich and famous, necessarily, just enough to get by comfortably