Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-07 Thread C K Kashyap
Thanks Don! On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Don Stewart wrote: > That's a separate module, based on System.Process -- > >    http://code.haskell.org/~dons/code/cpuperf/Process.hs > > ckkashyap: >> Hi Dan, >> This presentation is really nice. >> I went over it a couple of times and I think this p

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-07 Thread Don Stewart
That's a separate module, based on System.Process -- http://code.haskell.org/~dons/code/cpuperf/Process.hs ckkashyap: > Hi Dan, > This presentation is really nice. > I went over it a couple of times and I think this ppt will help me try > to use Haskell for things that I usually use Perl for

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-07 Thread C K Kashyap
Hi Dan, This presentation is really nice. I went over it a couple of times and I think this ppt will help me try to use Haskell for things that I usually use Perl for :) A quick question - import Process bombs on my GHCI(The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 6.12.3) -what do I n

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-06 Thread edgar klerks
Hi All, Not a complete guide, but just something, which can help: Perl6 is inspired by haskell. That was, how I end up by haskell. And I believe a lot of people of the perl community got interested in haskell that way. Maybe this works for some of collegues too. I still like perl, but haskell is

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-06 Thread Mathew de Detrich
I Think you misinterpreted what I said. I didn't say you should tell the programmers how to code, I said you should show the perl coders how Haskell has advantages over pearls without much cost On 06/09/2010 5:21 PM, "Stephen Tetley" wrote: On 6 September 2010 03:46, Mathew de Detrich wrote: >

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-06 Thread Stephen Tetley
On 6 September 2010 03:46, Mathew de Detrich wrote: > If they are perl programmers, they (should) understand perl very well. I > would suggest to try explaining to them the obvious disadvantages of perl > and the way that Haskell can cover those disadvantages without (much) of a > compromise. Now

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-05 Thread Alexander Solla
On Sep 5, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Mathew de Detrich wrote: Another thing you can say is that Perl is a very extreme language in design where as Haskell is more "general". This means the one thing Perl does, it does very well (expressing programming problems in the most concise/short possible way

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-05 Thread Mathew de Detrich
If they are perl programmers, they (should) understand perl very well. I would suggest to try explaining to them the obvious disadvantages of perl and the way that Haskell can cover those disadvantages without (much) of a compromise. Perl programs are either ones that are ridiculously short/concis

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-05 Thread Andrew Coppin
Michael Litchard wrote: I'll be starting a new job soon as systems tool guy. The shop is a perl shop as far as internal automation tasks go. But I am fortunate to not be working with bigots. If they see a better way, they'll take to it. So please give me your best arguments in favor of using hask

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-05 Thread Don Stewart
Gaius: > My usual rhetoric is that one-off, throwaway scripts never are, and > not only do they tend to stay around but they take on a life of their > own. Today's 10-line file munger is tomorrow's thousand-line ETL batch > job on which the business depends for some crucial data - yet the > origina

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-05 Thread Donn Cave
Quoth Ben Lippmeier , ... > Grandiose, hand-wavy assertions like "strong typing leads to > shorter development times and more reliable software" don't work > on people that haven't already been there and done that. When you > try to ram something down someone's throat they tend to resist. Though,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-05 Thread Chris Eidhof
On 5 sep 2010, at 09:28, Ben Lippmeier wrote: > > On 05/09/2010, at 2:38 AM, Michael Litchard wrote: > >> I'll be starting a new job soon as systems tool guy. The shop is a >> perl shop as far as internal automation tasks go. But I am fortunate >> to not be working with bigots. If they see a bet

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-05 Thread Ben Lippmeier
On 05/09/2010, at 2:38 AM, Michael Litchard wrote: > I'll be starting a new job soon as systems tool guy. The shop is a > perl shop as far as internal automation tasks go. But I am fortunate > to not be working with bigots. If they see a better way, they'll take > to it. So please give me your be

[Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell

2010-09-04 Thread Leonel Fonseca
Michael: Hi. I take the risk to mention some facts you might already be working on. I speculate on three perceptions in the mind of decision makers related to the adoption of a new language in a shop. This perceptions can be modified in stages. First Stage: Awareness. Why programming in that lan

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-04 Thread Jason Dagit
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Michael Litchard wrote: > I will be going into a situation where there are tasks that have yet > to be automated, so I will be going after that before re-writing > anything. But if I can come up with "here's why", there will be less > eyebrows raised. Thanks for all

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-04 Thread Michael Litchard
chael Litchard > Sender: haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org > To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org > Subject: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell. > Sent: Sep 4, 2010 17:38 > > I'll be starting a new job soon as systems tool guy. The shop is a > perl shop as far as internal automatio

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-04 Thread Gaius Hammond
). One day, however, it WILL fail. Haskell finds these types of bugs upfront, and not when your pager goes off at 3am... Cheers, G --Original Message-- From: Michael Litchard Sender: haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangeli

Re: [Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-04 Thread Vo Minh Thu
2010/9/4 Michael Litchard : > I'll be starting a new job soon as systems tool guy. The shop is a > perl shop as far as internal automation tasks go. But I am fortunate > to not be working with bigots. If they see a better way, they'll take > to it. So please give me your best arguments in favor of

[Haskell-cafe] help me evangelize haskell.

2010-09-04 Thread Michael Litchard
I'll be starting a new job soon as systems tool guy. The shop is a perl shop as far as internal automation tasks go. But I am fortunate to not be working with bigots. If they see a better way, they'll take to it. So please give me your best arguments in favor of using haskell for task automation in