Looking over the New_logo_ideas page, my vote is for the "snowflake" logo:
http://haskell.org/sitewiki/images/9/98/Haskell-Symstar.png
(I would simplify it, though, by removing the motto "pure - lazy - fun".)
I like this logo because it works well on two different levels. For those
in the know
On 2008 Dec 19, at 4:13, Lennart Augustsson wrote:
When accurate names for Haskell concepts already exist we should use
them (as we have tried in the past). There has been too much
invention of misleading terminology in computing already. If some
people can't handle things having the right name
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 09:13 +, Lennart Augustsson wrote:
> When accurate names for Haskell concepts already exist we should use
> them (as we have tried in the past). There has been too much
> invention of misleading terminology in computing already.
There are two possible cases (this applies
When accurate names for Haskell concepts already exist we should use
them (as we have tried in the past). There has been too much
invention of misleading terminology in computing already. If some
people can't handle things having the right names, well, maybe they
should try another language. (Wh
quoth Andrew Coppin:
quoth Tristan Seligmann:
> quoth Andrew Coppin:
> > Sure, there are many concepts in Haskell which just aren't found
> > anywhere else. But monads? Catamorphisms? Coroutines? Couldn't we
> > think up some less intimidating terminology?
>
> The problem is that "less
On 18 Dec 2008, at 11:26 am, Andrew Coppin wrote:
(Also, "coroutines"? Seriously? That's hardly an obscure term in
programming circles.)
Well now, I'm curios. I've been writing computer programs since I
was 9 years old. I hold a diploma *and* an honours degree in
computer science. And I ha
Hi Andrew,
Andrew Coppin wrote:
Technical terms are only
useful to those who already know what they mean, after all.
All terms, whether technical or not, are only useful to those who
already know what they mean. So if you want to learn new concepts, then
you have to learn new terms. All term
[Names removed as a courtesy]
True, true, and who cares about folks afraid of unknown operators
which
might do wonderfull stuff ;-)))
That's the kind of mentality I am talking about. The "we are better
than you" mentality, should stay with the Java and .NET people.
The subject is a LOG
Andrew Coppin writes:
And who knows category theory? Almost nobody. If you insist on naming
stuff after things that nobody will have heard of and which sound highly
technical, you're going to seriously limit your potential audience.
Speak for yourself, not for "almost everybody", or you wil
> And who knows category theory? Almost nobody. If you insist on naming stuff
> after things that nobody will have heard of and which sound highly
> technical, you're going to seriously limit your potential audience.
If you insist on naming stuff ad hoc, you're going to seriously limit
the appeal
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 23:00 +0100, Daniel Fischer wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 22:35 schrieb Jonathan Cast:
> > On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 21:31 +, Andrew Coppin wrote:
> > > In other words, you want to keep Haskell elitist.
> >
> > I think there's value in having elites around.
>
> Yes,
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Andrew Coppin
wrote:
>>
>> (Also, "coroutines"? Seriously? That's hardly an obscure term in
>> programming circles.)
>>
>
> Well now, I'm curios. I've been writing computer programs since I was 9
> years old. I hold a diploma *and* an honours degree in computer sci
>
> The current logo is basically a circle plus a whole heap of mathematical
> symbols. That doesn't really say "hey, this stuff is fun, come on in!"
> It says "this is for maths nerds only". (Which isn't actually true, in
> my opinion. But the current logo gives that impression.) I'd like our
Tristan Seligmann wrote:
* Andrew Coppin [2008-12-16 20:23:50 +]:
Sure, there are many concepts in Haskell which just aren't found
anywhere else. But monads? Catamorphisms? Coroutines? Couldn't we think
up some less intimidating terminology?
The problem is that "less intimidat
Gianfranco Alongi wrote:
That's the kind of mentality I am talking about. The "we are better
than you" mentality, should stay with the Java and .NET people. If you
have this urge of feeling superior and believe haskell-hacking is some
kind of achievement. .
Haskell is a tool like any other,
Am Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 22:35 schrieb Jonathan Cast:
> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 21:31 +, Andrew Coppin wrote:
> > In other words, you want to keep Haskell elitist.
>
> I think there's value in having elites around.
Yes, but not if they're elitist :-)
Seriously, I hope you're deliberately o
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 21:31 +, Andrew Coppin wrote:
> Jonathan Cast wrote:
> >> {-# LANGUAGE ExistentialQuantification #-}
> >>
> >> Hmm, now if this was Perl or something, that would be
> >> HiddenTypeVariables or something. Much less fearsom-sounding.
> >>
> >
> > No, it's cute. Repuls
andrewcoppin:
> Jonathan Cast wrote:
> >>{-# LANGUAGE ExistentialQuantification #-}
> >>
> >>Hmm, now if this was Perl or something, that would be
> >>HiddenTypeVariables or something. Much less fearsom-sounding.
> >>
> >
> >No, it's cute. Repulsively so.
> >
>
> Right. So giving things me
Jonathan Cast wrote:
{-# LANGUAGE ExistentialQuantification #-}
Hmm, now if this was Perl or something, that would be
HiddenTypeVariables or something. Much less fearsom-sounding.
No, it's cute. Repulsively so.
Right. So giving things meaningful names is "repulsive"? No wonder
Has
>
> That's the kind of mentality I am talking about. The "we are better
> than you" mentality, should stay with the Java and .NET people. If you
> have this urge of feeling superior and believe haskell-hacking is some
> kind of achievement. .
>
Well, you are what many call "person who just can
2008/12/17 wman <666w...@gmail.com>:
> 2008/12/17 Tristan Seligmann
>>
>> I really don't think that including a visual pun on the (>>=)
>> operator translates to "Haskell, it's all about monads"; you're only
>> likely to recognise the pun after you already know about monads anyway.
>
> True, tr
2008/12/17 Tristan Seligmann
> I really don't think that including a visual pun on the (>>=)
> operator translates to "Haskell, it's all about monads"; you're only
> likely to recognise the pun after you already know about monads anyway.
>
True, true, and who cares about folks afraid of unknown
* Andrew Coppin [2008-12-16 20:23:50 +]:
> I think the accusation is more that Haskell tries to be cryptic and
> arcane *on purpose*, just to confuse people.
>
> Sure, there are many concepts in Haskell which just aren't found
> anywhere else. But monads? Catamorphisms? Coroutines? Couldn
* Thomas Davie [2008-12-17 09:10:55 +0100]:
> Oh please no, please don't let the logo be something that says "Haskell,
> it's all about monads".
I don't see anyone complaining about the python logo being something
that says "Python, it's all about snakes" (Python is named after Monty
Python). I
I must agree, the proposal " pure . lazy . fun" is quite funny and
informative at the same time.
It will hopefully also supply people with something to laugh about
when they have learned enough. :)
While being true, it's also subtle.
/Gf
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Ketil Malde wrote:
> "G
"Gianfranco Alongi" writes:
> I agree on what some people say; I see no point in trying to advertise
> "elitism".
For this reason, my favorite subtitle is "pure . lazy . fun". Nice
and friendly, with some doulbe meanings for the cognoscenti. (I'm
sorry, but I can't bring myself to add "simple"
I agree on what some people say; I see no point in trying to advertise
"elitism".
Let's avoid the same mistake as the linux community made; soon we'll
have an internal flame war about which monad is the best (linux
distribution flame-wars analog), arguing who's the most 31337 haxxor
and so on.
In
On 17 Dec 2008, at 09:26, Luke Palmer wrote:
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Thomas Davie
wrote:
On 16 Dec 2008, at 18:40, Darrin Thompson wrote:
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Thomas Davie wrote:
>
> On 16 Dec 2008, at 18:40, Darrin Thompson wrote:
>
>
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>> // / \
On 16 Dec 2008, at 18:40, Darrin Thompson wrote:
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Don Stewart wrote:
And anyone who does a version, place put it on the wiki.
It'll be lost if you only post to the list.
I propose we gather submissions and vote on the best for a new logo in
2009.
I'm a big fan of those posted by FalconNL. I showed the whole page
On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 12:40 -0500, Darrin Thompson wrote:
> My $0.02 us:
>
> Apologies for ascii art, and hopefully gmail doesn't munge this:
>
>
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>// /
On Dec 16, 2008, at 17:40:27 GMT, Darrin Thompson wrote:
My $0.02 us:
Apologies for ascii art, and hopefully gmail doesn't munge this:
I love this ASCII-art version. I tried to make a vector version of it
in Photoshop, and I came up with this [1].
Any critiques/suggestions? I'm thinking abo
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Henning Thielemann wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Don Stewart wrote:
And anyone who does a version, place put it on the wiki.
It'll be lost if you only post to the list.
I propose we gather submissions and vote on the best for a new logo in
2009.
Whatever logo someone pre
On 16 Dec 2008, at 1:24 am, Álvaro Vilanova Vidal wrote:
One more concept.
The hybrid lambda/infinity sign looks more like a bra advertisement
and the lettering is unpleasant. For one thing, the language is
called "Haskell", so a logo should not call it "haskell". (The
language cares v
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Darrin Thompson wrote:
> My $0.02 us:
>
> Apologies for ascii art, and hopefully gmail doesn't munge this:
>
>
> \\ \\
> \\ \\ \|
> \\ \\ ---
> \\ \\
> // / \
On 15 Dec 2008, at 2:57 pm, Eelco Lempsink wrote:
By the way, the font used (Kautiva) is not free.
That's fine, I wouldn't take it as a gift. It looks horrible.
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On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 20:23 +, Andrew Coppin wrote:
> Malcolm Wallace wrote:
> > Andrew Coppin wrote:
> >
> >
> >> To him, apparently, the current logo says "Haskell is all
> >> about arcane and obscure mathematical constructs. In fact, we think
> >> that complicated mathematics is so goo
Malcolm Wallace wrote:
Andrew Coppin wrote:
To him, apparently, the current logo says "Haskell is all
about arcane and obscure mathematical constructs. In fact, we think
that complicated mathematics is so good that we stuffed our logo full
of it. If you don't like hard math, don't even b
My $0.02 us:
Apologies for ascii art, and hopefully gmail doesn't munge this:
\\ \\
\\ \\ \|
\\ \\ ---
\\ \\
// / \
// / \ \|
// / /\\ ---
We could take the HL2 logo and replace the "2" with "6". I'm sure there's
some trademark issue here, but i like the idea.
/jve
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Michael Giagnocavo wrote:
> Don Stewart wrote:
> > I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
> >
> >
> http://image.spreadsh
It does require a mathematical mind, but does not require that you
understand the mathematical language. If mathematics are the basis of
computation, and programming is an implementation of computation, then
in many ways programming languages are a (less powerful) equivalent
language to the
Andrew Coppin wrote:
> To him, apparently, the current logo says "Haskell is all
> about arcane and obscure mathematical constructs. In fact, we think
> that complicated mathematics is so good that we stuffed our logo full
> of it. If you don't like hard math, don't even bother trying to learn
Obviously there are a lot of different wills in this discussion, and I
propose we take this to the next level by letting people submit all
their ideas to the Haskell wiki page, and vote later on.
/Gf
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:52 AM, jagrhask wrote:
> Miguel Mitrofanov пишет:
>>
>> Sorry to disap
Miguel Mitrofanov пишет:
Sorry to disappoint you, but the "tree" is not the very first thing
that comes to mind when you look at this drawing. And, despite that it
satisfies
As I already said, I'm not good in drawing, so if somthing bad comes to
your mind looking at this tree - just draw it so
Sorry to disappoint you, but the "tree" is not the very first thing
that comes to mind when you look at this drawing. And, despite that it
satisfies Don's condition to be "mature" (though "adult" would be a
better word), this kind of pornography is NOT, I believe, what most of
us want for a
jagrhask пишет:
What do you think about this logo?
I'm not a good painter but just to illustrate idea:
lazy lambda taking rest laying under tree and some blinks symbolize
how is it.
Of course "symbolize how clean is it".
I hope somebody could draw it better.
Don Stewart пишет:
I noticed a ne
What do you think about this logo?
I'm not a good painter but just to illustrate idea:
lazy lambda taking rest laying under tree and some blinks symbolize how
is it.
I hope somebody could draw it better.
Don Stewart пишет:
I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
http://imag
okay, I want a t-shirt like this (but with all the greek
letters and formatting)
back:
\t. 2^-t kg
is equally[or: sometimes] bothered by math
front:
\gbtq
is [sometimes] bothered by acronyms
:-)
or, sometimes likes each of them :-)
-Isaac
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On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 18:25 -0500, Sterling Clover wrote:
> Alvaro's infinity lambda is awesome! The fancy treatments -- shadows,
> reflections, and the funny haskell font can all go, but the infinity
> lambda is distinctive, conceptually clear, and conveys the notion that
> we're not just the lamb
Alvaro's infinity lambda is awesome! The fancy treatments -- shadows,
reflections, and the funny haskell font can all go, but the infinity lambda
is distinctive, conceptually clear, and conveys the notion that we're not
just the lambda calculus, but the lambda calculus to the power of our type
syst
mgg:
> Don Stewart wrote:
> > I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
> >
> >
> > http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
> >
> > Simple, clean and *pure*.
> >
>
> While "lambda in a circle" is quite powerful, it's also q
Don Stewart wrote:
> I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
>
>
> http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
>
> Simple, clean and *pure*.
>
While "lambda in a circle" is quite powerful, it's also quite similar to the
logo
Don Stewart wrote:
I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
Simple, clean and *pure*.
Instead of the "we got lots going on" of the current logo.
Any graphic designers want to t
Could you upload it to the logo contest page:
http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_logos/New_logo_ideas
jefferson.r.heard:
> My entry...
>
> 2008/12/15 Martin DeMello :
> > Something incorporating λ∀ perhaps
> >
> > martin
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If there is someone interested in playing around with the logo Don posted,
I made a gimp-version out of it.
http://frosch03.de/haskell/Haskell.xcf
http://frosch03.de/haskell/Haskell.png
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Don Stewart wrote:
And anyone who does a version, place put it on the wiki.
It'll be lost if you only post to the list.
I propose we gather submissions and vote on the best for a new logo in
2009.
Whatever logo someone prefers: I have written a program using HPDF which
And anyone who does a version, place put it on the wiki.
It'll be lost if you only post to the list.
I propose we gather submissions and vote on the best for a new logo in
2009.
-- Don
nominolo:
> So far this one is still the best, although the kerning between the s
> and the k seems off, so tha
So far this one is still the best, although the kerning between the s
and the k seems off, so that would need fixing first.
In terms of slogan "purely functional", "lazy with class", or "lazy.
pure. functional." look ok. The rest, not so much.
2008/12/14 Don Stewart :
> I noticed a new haskell l
Looks, good, actually among the top of the ones I like,
should we not have some kind of voting mechanism for selecting a logo?
And also some kind of last date for when entries are accepted..
Of course this requires a call for logos and so forth.
2008/12/15 Jeff Heard :
> My entry...
>
> 2008/12/1
Something incorporating λ∀ perhaps
martin
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On 15 Dec 2008, at 12:43, Henning Thielemann wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Don Stewart wrote:
I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
Simple, clean and *pure*.
Instead of the "
One more concept.
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I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
Simple, clean and *pure*.
Instead of the "we got lots going on" of the current logo.
Call me c
On 15 dec 2008, at 03:31, Derek Elkins wrote:
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 02:57 +0100, Eelco Lempsink wrote:
I'm not a graphic designer, but that doesn't prevent me giving a try.
By the way, the font used (Kautiva) is not free. You might recognize
it from Tupil's logo ;)
Someone would pay for that
On 15 Dec 2008, at 03:27, Don Stewart wrote:
Could you attach it to the web page,
http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_logos/New_logo_ideas
I've stuck a contender up there too.
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"J. Garrett Morris" writes:
>>> Nice. For some more hubris, replace 'A' with 'The'.
>> I had the very same thought :)
> It certainly wouldn't do to let, say, the existence of Concurrent
> Clean get in the way of our self-promotion.
Well, they get to make T-shirts with "Clean - the /other/ pur
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Don Stewart wrote:
>
> Could you attach it to the web page,
>
>http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_logos/New_logo_ideas
>
>
I tossed up a quickie candidate there as well.
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I like the proposed logo even more now that you've pointed out the
similarity. :-)
-Corey O'Connor
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On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 02:57 +0100, Eelco Lempsink wrote:
> On 14 dec 2008, at 22:15, Don Stewart wrote:
> > I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
> >
> >
> > http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
> >
> > Simple, clean a
eelco:
> On 14 dec 2008, at 22:15, Don Stewart wrote:
> >I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
> >
> >
> > http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
> >
> >Simple, clean and *pure*.
> >
> >Instead of the "we got lots going o
On 14 dec 2008, at 22:15, Don Stewart wrote:
I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
Simple, clean and *pure*.
Instead of the "we got lots going on" of the current logo.
Any gra
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Don Stewart wrote:
> ketil:
>> Nice. For some more hubris, replace 'A' with 'The'.
>
> I had the very same thought :)
It certainly wouldn't do to let, say, the existence of Concurrent
Clean get in the way of our self-promotion.
/g
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On 2008 Dec 14, at 16:50, sam lee wrote:
http://i35.tinypic.com/mjon83.png
used this: http://www.simwebsol.com/ImageTool/Default.aspx
Win from the "visually interesting" angle, but massive lose from the
"legibility" angle.
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ketil:
> Don Stewart writes:
>
> > I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
> >
> >
> > http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
> >
> > Simple, clean and *pure*.
>
> Nice. For some more hubris, replace 'A' with 'The'.
Don Stewart writes:
> I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
>
>
> http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
>
> Simple, clean and *pure*.
Nice. For some more hubris, replace 'A' with 'The'.
-k
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brianchina60221:
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Don Stewart wrote:
> > I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
> >
> > http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
>
> I'd buy one, but I'm not seeing it on spreadshirt.net.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Don Stewart wrote:
> I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
>
> http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
I'd buy one, but I'm not seeing it on spreadshirt.net.
http://i35.tinypic.com/mjon83.png
used this: http://www.simwebsol.com/ImageTool/Default.aspx
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On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Don Stewart wrote:
> I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today,
>
>
> http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png
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> Simple, clean and *pure*.
I like it. I prefer the thick lambda over the scri
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