Re: Hating our product's CLI shell

2010-09-23 Thread Martin Ebourne
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 21:35 +0200, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 08:32:12PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: > > Why instead of the message do they not just, err, quit? > > Programmers should be forced to use their own software. > > That tends to make it much more usable very

Re: Hating our product's CLI shell

2010-09-23 Thread Michael Jinks
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:35:57PM +0200, Gert Doering wrote: > > Programmers should be forced to use their own software. > > That tends to make it much more usable very quicky... Unless they get so highly attuned to it that nothing it does surprises them any more, all those major changes in b

Re: Hating our product's CLI shell

2010-09-23 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 08:32:12PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: > Why instead of the message do they not just, err, quit? Programmers should be forced to use their own software. That tends to make it much more usable very quicky... gert -- USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW!

Re: Hating our product's CLI shell

2010-09-23 Thread Simon Wistow
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:00:24PM +0200, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker said: > This is because the python prompt is just a REPL and they are just > objects that stringify to the text and do their thing when called as a > function. The reason license needs to be called as a function is that > it's so

Re: Hating our product's CLI shell

2010-09-23 Thread Martin Ebourne
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 12:00 +0200, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: This is because the python prompt is just a REPL and they are just objects that stringify to the text and do their thing when called as a function. The reason license needs to be called as a function is that it's so long it needs

Re: Hating our product's CLI shell

2010-09-23 Thread Daniel Pittman
ilm...@ilmari.org (Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker) writes: Michael G Schwern writes: [...] $ python Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, Feb 11 2010, 00:50:55) [GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5646)] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. exit Use exit() or Ctrl-D (i.e

Re: Hating our product's CLI shell

2010-09-23 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:00:24PM +0200, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: > Michael G Schwern writes: > > > You're in good company. > > > > $ python > > Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, Feb 11 2010, 00:50:55) > > [GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5646)] on darwin > > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "l

Re: Hating our product's CLI shell

2010-09-23 Thread Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
Michael G Schwern writes: > You're in good company. > > $ python > Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, Feb 11 2010, 00:50:55) > [GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5646)] on darwin > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. exit > Use exit() or Ctrl-D (i.e. EOF) to exit qui

Re: Hating our product's CLI shell

2010-09-23 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 2010.9.22 12:26 PM, Timothy Knox wrote: > So in my day job, I work for a hardware/software company that makes > nifty-neato networking gear. We have our own command shell, sort of > bash-like, but tuned to our needs. I was forced to use it recently, > and when I was done, this happened: > > # e

Re: Hating our product's CLI shell

2010-09-23 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 06:05:07PM -0400, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: > Variant of this: "exit" saved the current state and exited, and "quit" > exited without saving. Or was it vice versa? Without prompting or > warning, in either case, of course. My brain has thankfully already > forgotten w

Re: Hating our product's CLI shell

2010-09-23 Thread Joshua Juran
On Sep 22, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: On Wednesday-201009-22 15:26, Timothy Knox wrote: So in my day job, I work for a hardware/software company that makes nifty-neato networking gear. We have our own command shell, sort of bash-like, but tuned to our needs. I was forced to use

Re: Hating our product's CLI shell

2010-09-23 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
On Wednesday-201009-22 15:26, Timothy Knox wrote: So in my day job, I work for a hardware/software company that makes nifty-neato networking gear. We have our own command shell, sort of bash-like, but tuned to our needs. I was forced to use it recently, and when I was done, this happened: # exit

Re: Apple Mail munges ASCII art

2010-09-23 Thread Joshua Juran
On Sep 23, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Aaron J. Grier wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:11:53PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: Not being able to render in a fixed-width font is a deal-breaker, and I'd have dropped it as a MUA if it couldn't manage it. As you can see, it even works without having to view-

Re: Apple Mail munges ASCII art

2010-09-23 Thread Aaron J. Grier
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:11:53PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: > Not being able to render in a fixed-width font is a deal-breaker, and > I'd have dropped it as a MUA if it couldn't manage it. As you can see, > it even works without having to view-source. I achieved this major > feat through the cun